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#103 Long Distance, Part II

This week, Alex and Damiano take a trip. This is the conclusion of last week's episode, Long Distance. Further Reading Snigdha Poonam's story on tech support scams in the Hindustan Times If you suspect you are a victim of a tech support scammer, you see a suspicious pop-up, or get an unsol

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Executive Summary: In this concluding Reply All episode, Alex Goldman and PJ Vogt travel to Delhi to uncover the location and operation of a suspected scam call center, Acostings. After false leads, awkward meetings with Kamal and owner Deepak, and mounting suspicion, they finally pinpoint the call center above a bar called Headphones. A reporter, Snigda, confirms the layout, but the center abruptly closes its front door when they arrive. The episode ends with confrontation, denial, and the realization that scam operations are evasive, mobile, and hard to pin down.

Main Topics: Delhi investigation to locate Acostings (Priority: 5/5): Alex and PJ spend days tracing addresses on Club Road, chasing contradictory clues, and trying to verify where the call center actually operates. Misdirection and evasiveness by Kamal and Deepak (Priority: 5/5): The hosts repeatedly encounter dodging, denial, and shifting stories, including claims the center has closed and that records should not be made. The reveal of Acostings above Headphones (Priority: 5/5): With help from journalist Snigda, they discover the call center is hidden above a bar they had already visited, confirming the address puzzle. The confrontation at Tourist Lounge and aftermath (Priority: 4/5): A planned interview turns hostile, with threats to call authorities and Deepak insisting they are not scammers, escalating the tension. How scam call centers hide and operate (Priority: 5/5): The episode explains that these businesses use job listings, shifting identities, and closed-front-office tactics to avoid scrutiny while continuing operations. The emotional and physical toll of the chase (Priority: 3/5): The narration emphasizes heat, fatigue, fear, and stress, underscoring how exhausting and disorienting the investigation became.

Key Arguments: Acostings could only be found by cross-checking multiple addresses and using local reporting methods rather than relying on the company’s public information. Kamal and Deepak were not transparent; their denials and instructions not to record suggested they were managing exposure, not clarifying facts. The call center appeared to be operating behind a false front, with a closed shutter and security presence to make it look inactive or legitimate. Snigda’s reporting shows scam centers are widespread, adaptive, and difficult for authorities to eliminate because new ones appear constantly. The episode argues that confronting scammers can flip the usual power dynamic, even if it does not produce a confession or clean resolution. Online job ads and employee recruitment can be an effective way to locate otherwise hidden scam operations.

Data Points: Episode number: 102 - The transcript opens by directing listeners to last week’s episode, "Long Distance," as the first part of the story. Time in Delhi: About a month ago, around early July - Alex describes when he and Damiano landed in Delhi to investigate. Two addresses: 2 - The hosts initially have two possible addresses for Acostings on Club Road. Walk distance: Half a mile to three-quarters of a mile - They walk from One Club Road to 26 Club Road in the heat. People at call center: More than 40 people - Snigda describes the call floor layout after going inside for an interview. Reported share of scams from India: Close to 90% - Snigda says almost all tech support scams hitting the US come from India. Typical scam call center size range: 10 to 15 people up to 400 to 500 people - Snigda describes the scale variation of these operations. Deadline before exposure: 10 minutes - Snigda tells the hosts to call her if she is not out in ten minutes. Meeting timing: 1 hour - Kamal asks to meet in one hour at Kamala Place during the Thursday setup.

Pivotal Quotes: "The story is happening whether you want to or not." — Alex Goldman: Alex challenges Deepak and Kamal during the planned interview at Tourist Lounge. "I know where your front door is." — Alex Goldman: Alex confronts Kamal over the hidden location of Acostings after learning the address. "You’re not welcome in office, okay?" — Kamal: Kamal calls Alex after the call center visit, escalating the confrontation and warning him off.

Implications: The episode shows how scam operations survive through secrecy, relocation, and intimidation. For listeners, it highlights why fraud is hard to trace and why investigative persistence and local expertise matter.

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