The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)

20VC: WTF Is Going On In Venture Capital; Seed Round Pricing Will Remain High, Series B & C Has Gone Completely, Downrounds Are Coming | Why Defensibility is BS on Day 1, Why Market is More Important Than Founder & Why Being First To Market Doesn't Matter

Avlok Kohli is the CEO @ AngelList. Under his leadership, Avlok has taken AngelList from an SPV provider to a company that is becoming the software platform for the entire industry. Today, AngelList supports over $15BN in assets and 40% of US unicorns have had a GP invest in them through AngelList.

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Avlok Coley Guest

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Executive Summary: Avlok Coley argues venture is deep in a bear market: Series A/B/C activity and valuations are sharply down, fundraising takes longer, and liquidity is constrained. Yet AngelList is growing by moving upmarket, automating fund ops with AI, and expanding its platform across funds, SPVs, and cap tables. He sees pre-seed/seed prices holding up, but expects repricing, lower fund counts, and a tougher macro through 2023 before recovery.

Main Topics: Venture market downturn and repricing (Priority: 5/5): Coley describes the current venture environment as the deepest part of a bear market, with sharply lower deal volume, valuations, and a slower fundraising cycle. Series A/B/C markets are compressed while pre-seed/seed is relatively buffered. AngelList's platform strategy and growth (Priority: 5/5): AngelList is positioned as infrastructure for venture, serving funds, syndicates, startups, and LPs. Coley says the company is expanding upmarket, taking larger funds, capturing share, and building a multi-product platform with strong margins. AI and automation in fund operations (Priority: 4/5): Coley explains how LLMs are automating major parts of AngelList's operations, especially document routing, email triage, and compliance workflows, turning historically human judgment tasks into software workflows. Fundraising dynamics and fund formation (Priority: 4/5): The discussion covers declining net-new funds, longer time to first close, smaller fund sizes, and a shift in LP behavior. Institutions are returning somewhat, individuals are down, and first-time fund managers face a harder environment. Startup strategy: markets, defensibility, and timing (Priority: 4/5): Coley argues that being first in market does not guarantee victory, defensibility is weak at day one, and a great team needs a great market. He emphasizes utility-function tradeoffs and the importance of product-market fit over hype. M&A, secondaries, and liquidity pressure (Priority: 3/5): He is skeptical of a broad acquisition spree because public and private acquirers face their own pressures and pricing uncertainty. He does, however, note increased interest in LP and fund secondaries at steep discounts. Company focus, competition, and product execution (Priority: 4/5): AngelList's speed comes from ambitious hires, tight deadlines, and minimal process. Coley says the company focuses on building rather than obsessing over competitors and has no immediate concern about macro risk to the platform model.

Key Arguments: Venture is in a deep bear market: activity, up rounds, and valuations are all sharply down, especially in Series A/B/C. Pre-seed and seed are holding up better because capital from later-stage investors is moving earlier, and many new check-writers are less price-sensitive. Being first to market is not a moat; first movers often create the idea maze for later entrants without guaranteeing success. Defensibility is essentially nonexistent on day one; moats emerge over time, not at launch. The fundraising environment is slower: fewer net-new funds are being raised, first closes take longer, and fund sizes are smaller, especially for first-time managers. AngelList benefits from moving upmarket and broadening its product suite, so it is less dependent on net-new fund formation than outsiders might think. AI is materially improving AngelList's internal efficiency by automating repetitive, document-heavy workflows that previously required human judgment. M&A is unlikely to surge broadly because acquirers themselves face cost-of-capital and integration constraints, and private-market pricing is hard to align. Secondaries are increasingly being used by LPs and investors seeking liquidity, often at 40% to 50% discounts to last-round marks. Great teams alone are not enough; the best outcomes require both a strong team and a strong market.

Data Points: Series B deal volume: down more than 50% - Coley's description of the current venture downturn Series B valuations: down more than 50% - Compression in later-stage venture pricing Series A market: down - Later-stage venture funding slowdown Series C market: basically gone - Late-stage deal flow has largely disappeared Net new funds: definitely down - Fewer new venture funds are being formed Time to first close: increased from 3 months to 6+ months - Fundraising takes materially longer now Time to first close trend: trending towards 7 months - Recent trajectory for fund closings Drop in companies raising vs historical average: 33% drop - AngelList comparison of recent investments versus historical averages Q1 flat/down rounds seen: 48 - Early evidence that repricing is beginning LP secondary discount on fund positions: 20% to 50% typical; as much as 60% to 70% in some markets - Pricing seen in secondary transactions Individuals committing to rolling funds: down close to 20% - Compared with a year ago Individuals committing to venture funds: down 60% - Compared with early 2022 Institutional commitments to venture funds: down, then recovered recently - AngelList data on LP behavior AngelList supports funds and syndicates: 20,000 - Scale of AngelList's platform AngelList startup portfolio: more than 13,000 startups - Scope of managed companies AngelList assets supported: over $15 billion - Company scale mentioned in intro US unicorn GP penetration: 40% - Share of US unicorns that had a GP invest through AngelList Emails handled weekly: about 15,000 - Operational volume managed by AngelList North-star market share goal: north of 50% - Goal for venture funds and venture-backed startups supported on AngelList infrastructure Margin profile: north of 80% - Overall platform margin estimate given by Coley Older fund pricing cap: 1% a year, capped at $25K/year; effectively $250K overall - Former pricing model for smaller funds Typical current fund sizes supported: $50M, $100M, $200M - AngelList now supports much larger funds than in earlier years Smaller first-time fund sizes: $1M, $2M, or $3M - Expected sizes for new funds in the current market Deal spread between boom and bad times: farthest distance ever recorded in AngelList's chart - Quarterly venture activity/positive activity chart

Pivotal Quotes: "“We're actually in the depth of the bear market, if you will, for venture right now.”" — Avlok Coley: His headline assessment of current venture conditions "“Being first in market matters all that much.”" — Avlok Coley: His argument that first-mover advantage is overstated; he immediately frames it through the idea maze concept "“Startups die of suicide, not homicide.”" — Avlok Coley: Used to explain why execution and internal focus matter more than obsessing over competitors

Implications: Listeners should expect continued pressure on venture fundraising, more repricing, and slower exits. AngelList’s strategy shows that infrastructure platforms can thrive in downturns by automating operations, capturing share, and moving upmarket while the market resets.

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