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339: Ketchup Momentum

* John's cheese-grater update * NiCad battery * NiCad battery example * Hunt's 100% Natural Tomato Ketchup * Heinz Ketchups * More on Apple Card * Opting out of arbitration for Apple Card * Apple Card has no web interface * Follow-up: JSON streaming * Length-prefixed JSON * Line-delimited

Featured Speakers

Marco Arment, Casey Liss, John Siracusa Host

Topics Discussed

Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode ranges across several recurring ATP themes: tool obsession and consumer preferences (cheese graters, ketchup), Apple Card’s arbitration opt-out and privacy-related promotions, streaming JSON implementation choices, and hardware/product updates from Apple and other companies. The latter half dives into electric cars, cameras, audio gear, game chronology for kids, and a long response to Tumblr’s sale to Automattic, emphasizing that platform value and strategy are more complex than headlines suggest.

Main Topics: Cheese-grater obsession and the danger of wrong mental models: John explains how he damaged a rechargeable electric cheese grater by assuming it was a plug-in appliance; the discussion becomes a metaphor for personal tool preferences and how people get attached to specific workflows. Heinz vs. Hunts ketchup as a proxy for taste and habit: A spirited debate about ketchup brand loyalty turns into a broader point: preferences often come from familiarity and default settings more than objective quality. Apple Card, arbitration, and privacy-related push notifications: The hosts discuss how to opt out of arbitration via Apple’s Wallet/business chat flow and criticize Apple’s plan to send privacy-preserving promotional push notifications based on purchases. Technical implementation of streaming JSON: The conversation compares length-prefixed binary framing, newline-delimited JSON, and ASCII length-prefix approaches, with John defending binary framing for simplicity and robustness. Apple hardware behavior and display options: They cover Mac laptops turning on when any key is pressed, the need for a GUI toggle, and the pros/cons of LG’s 5K display versus Apple’s upcoming Pro Display XDR. Electric cars and the Tesla vs. legacy automaker debate: A long debate examines whether established carmakers can beat Tesla by offering electric versions of conventional cars, versus Tesla’s differentiated experience, software, and charging network. Tumblr’s sale to Automattic and what it might become: Marco argues the sale price and decline are being oversimplified, and suggests Automattic could reshape Tumblr into an ad-free, commerce-supported social platform with Instagram-like appeal.

Key Arguments: People are often only as particular as the defaults they’re accustomed to; what looks like irrational brand loyalty is usually just habit and continuity. Apple Card’s privacy-preserving ad system is technically thoughtful, but users dislike getting promotional notifications at all, regardless of whether the targeting is private. Binary length-prefixed JSON is simpler to decode on clients than newline-delimited or ASCII-length framing when the format is machine-to-machine. Apple laptops are moving toward a world where the distinction between asleep and off matters less, but users still need an obvious way to disable auto-power-on behavior. Legacy automakers may build better electric vehicles in terms of reliability and service, but they won’t automatically reproduce Tesla’s software-driven user experience or charging convenience. Tesla’s strengths are not just drivetrain-related; the interface, app integration, and overall ownership experience matter as much as range or acceleration. Tumblr’s value should not be judged as a single number divorced from staffing, obligations, and market context; the platform could still be repurposed successfully under new ownership. A child’s introduction to games should preserve wonder and not be too late; release order is usually best, but only for games worth playing.

Data Points: Apple Card transaction rewards: 2% back on Apple Pay transactions; 3% back on Apple purchases - Used in discussion about whether the card is worth opening for existing cardholders Apple Card savings estimate: about $100 per year - John’s rough calculation of the incremental benefit over existing cards MacBook Pro / MacBook Air behavior: 2018-era models turn on when any key or trackpad is pressed - Discussion of the new wake/power behavior Battery runtime after overnight charging: 10 to 15 seconds of use - John’s electric cheese grater after accidental battery damage Humidity in New York: 90% humidity - Advertisement read for Mac Weldon describing summer conditions Temperature in New York: 78 degrees - Same sponsor read setting up the clothing demo Walk distance: over five miles - Sponsor read used to illustrate why odor control matters Apple bug bounty: up to $1 million - Reward for a zero-click full-chain kernel code execution exploit Tumblr sale price (reported): less than $3 million - Discussing Tumblr’s sale to Automattic Apple Card arb opt-out method: within Wallet app via Business Chat - Listeners reported a quick opt-out process using Apple’s chat flow LG 5K display price: $1,300 - Discussing the cheaper 5K monitor alternative to Apple’s Pro Display XDR Mac Pro/display speculation: $5,000 to $10,000 Mac Pro - John’s expected spend range discussed by the hosts Linode credit: $20 credit - Sponsor promo code ATP2019 Mac Weldon discount: 20% off first order - Sponsor promo code ATP at checkout Casper promo: $50 towards select mattresses - Sponsor code ATP2019 Zelda chronology example: NES, Super Nintendo, N64, GameCube, Switch - Discussion of how to introduce children to game history Audio recorder example: 6 inputs - The upcoming Zoom F6 recorder mentioned as promising Tesla charge network: Supercharger network - Cited as a major competitive advantage over legacy EV efforts

Pivotal Quotes: "The sole purpose. The purpose of the thing that you plug into it is to charge the battery." — John: Explaining the cheese grater mistake and the wrong mental model "If you're going to have ketchup, have ketchup." — John: On preferring Heinz over generic or “healthier” alternatives "Tumblr could become Instagram without the ads, basically." — Marco: Speculating about Tumblr’s future under Automattic

Implications: Listeners are reminded that product loyalty, platform strategy, and technical design are shaped by defaults, ecosystem fit, and user experience—not just specs. The show suggests future winners will combine hardware/software integration with better UX, while ad-heavy or confusing products risk rejection.

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