Accidental Tech Podcast
Accidental Tech Podcast

361: A Button in the Thumb Shelf

* AirPods vs. AirPlanes * neverssl.com & alwayshttp.com * Follow-up: * Camera ergonomics (via Henrik Helmers) * PopSockets * Jumpy mice (via Scott Simpson) * USB 3.0 Radio Frequency Interference Impact on 2.4 GHz Wireless Devices * Photo sharing * Mario Panighetti * Andrew Elliott * Jared Counts

Featured Speakers

Marco Arment, Casey Liss, John Siracusa Host

Topics Discussed

Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode ranges across Apple hardware troubleshooting and preferences: fan noise on an iMac Pro, AirPods and airplane entertainment, camera ergonomics, USB 3 interference, rackmount Mac Pros, True Tone/HDR, Ethernet negotiation issues, sleep/wake debugging, Finder toolbar bugs, low-power vs. pro mode, and an extended comparison of mice, keyboards, and Logitech/Microsoft peripherals. The recurring theme is that small hardware/software details strongly shape real-world usability.

Main Topics: Mac Pro, iMac Pro, and hardware reliability: Marco worries his iMac Pro fan has become audibly louder, likely from dust or age, and debates whether to replace it with a Mac Pro; later, Ethernet on both his Mac Pro and Marco's iMac Pro behaves oddly. Travel tech and in-flight entertainment: They revisit AirPods Pro for flights, debate whether wired headphones are still needed for airplane screens, criticize airline ads and poor in-flight UI, and recommend workarounds like Bluetooth dongles and neverssl.com for captive portals. Display quality, True Tone, and HDR: Marco discusses the Pro Display XDR's True Tone, different color presets, and HDR behavior on macOS versus Windows, emphasizing how much HDR affects only supported media rather than the whole desktop. Networking and connectivity quirks: John explains 10-gig Ethernet fallback to 100 Mbps on an older switch, while Casey describes a MoCA bridge taking down his home network until removed from the switch, and the group discusses Ethernet-over-coax tradeoffs. Sleep, wake, and background activity on Macs: John details how his Mac Pro kept waking unexpectedly and how he solved it by disabling wake-on-network, Bluetooth, and certain USB devices while using pmset logs to identify wake reasons. Pro mode vs. low power mode: A rumor about a future Mac 'pro mode' leads to a broader argument that Apple should also add a real low-power mode to Macs/iPads, similar to iOS, to let users trade performance for heat, noise, and battery life. Mouse, keyboard, and input-device ergonomics: John tests several mice and keyboards, comparing shape, surface glide, scroll wheels, Bluetooth vs. RF dongles, and key travel, ultimately favoring certain Microsoft and Logitech peripherals while rejecting others.

Key Arguments: Apple hardware can be excellent, but small changes in fan noise, networking, or sleep behavior can make a machine feel dramatically worse to use. Bluetooth is often inferior to dedicated RF dongles for mice because RF offers better tracking stability and battery life. USB 3.0 can create radio interference that disrupts wireless receivers near ports or cables. Mac desktops and laptops need more user control over the performance/battery/noise tradeoff, including a true low-power mode. The iPhone may be the best practical camera for many cases, but a dedicated camera-shaped device remains ergonomically superior for blind operation and quick shooting. Third-party mice can outperform Apple’s mouse in comfort and functionality; the best peripherals are often judged by fit, buttons, scroll feel, and underside glide rather than aesthetics. Airline entertainment systems have become less useful because of poor screens, intrusive ads, and volume/UX problems; personal devices are usually better. MoCA/Ethernet-over-coax can be convenient, but it may introduce surprising network instability and is not as clean as a direct Ethernet drop.

Data Points: Mac Pro price increase: Starts at $6,500 instead of $6,000 - Rackmount Mac Pro configuration page now available Mac Pro Ethernet ports: 2 x 10-gigabit Ethernet - John’s Mac Pro networking setup Old switch link speed fallback: 100 megabits - Mac Pro negotiated down to 100 Mbps with an older switch until manually set to gigabit Ethernet speed after manual fix: Hundreds of megabits per second - Speed returned to expected levels after forcing gigabit MoCA bridge issue: Entire network stabilized only after unplugging the MoCA bridge from the switch - Casey’s iMac Pro ethernet troubleshooting Nightly schedule wake time: 3 a.m. - John’s old Mac Pro wake/sleep automation schedule TurboBoost performance impact: Up to about half of single-thread performance; roughly a third of multi-core performance in some cases - John’s explanation of disabling TurboBoost Laptop power adapter change: 15-inch to 16-inch moved from 80W to 96W (described as 80 to 95/96) - Discussion of whether newer MacBook Pros still outrun their chargers Pro Display XDR presets: P3-1600 nits and Apple display P3-500 nits - Marco comparing display color profiles AirPods/flight entertainment dongles: $20 to $30 - Bluetooth transmitter dongles for airplane headphone jacks Mac Weldon return policy: Try underwear and refund if not satisfied - Sponsor mention Linode entry price: $5/month with 1 GB RAM - Sponsor mention Squarespace discount: 10% off with offer code ATP - Sponsor mention Mac Pro rackmount premium: $500 more - Rackmount version compared with standard tower Logitech camera price: Around $200 - Webcam accessory for Pro Display XDR

Pivotal Quotes: "If you're coming up with a standard, make sure that it doesn't cause radio interference." — John: After explaining USB 3.0 interference with wireless receivers "I want a first-party solution. On my laptop, I've been running TurboBoost Switcher Pro for, I don't know, like four years now." — Marco: Arguing for an Apple-supported low-power mode "The pro workflow group that Apple seems to be designing their pro products for these days might not be as diverse as it needs to be." — John: Critiquing Apple’s pro-product focus

Implications: Listeners get practical fixes for Mac/network/peripheral problems and a clear case for better Apple controls over power, sleep, and connectivity. The episode also reinforces that everyday usability often depends on small hardware details, not specs alone.

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