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#364 Nick & Zak's Excellent Adventure: How Nick Sleep and Qais Zaharia Built Their Investment Partnership

How Nick Sleep and Qais Zakaria built their radically unconventional investment partnership. From the incredible book Richer, Wiser, Happier: How The World's Greatest Investors Win In Markets and Life by William Green. ---- I’m doing a LIVE podcast in New York next Monday with Patrick from Inve

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David Senra HostNick Sleep GuestZack Zakaria Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode profiles Nick Sleep and Zak Zakaria, arguing that their extraordinary investing success came from an obsession with quality, independent thinking, and a simple long-term philosophy. It traces their path from contrarian outsiders to builders of Nomad Investment Partnership, where they concentrated capital in businesses with shared scale economies like Costco and Amazon, ignored ephemeral noise, and generated exceptional returns through patience and research.

Main Topics: Nick Sleep and Zak Zakaria’s unconventional origins (Priority: 5/5): The episode recounts their early careers, outsider temperament, and the personal experiences that shaped their skepticism of conventional finance and comfort with being different. Quality as a life and investing principle (Priority: 5/5): A major theme is the influence of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and the idea that quality in actions and decisions should govern both life and investing. Nomad’s minimalist, concentrated investment process (Priority: 5/5): Nomad was designed as an act of rebellion: few, heavily researched bets, no leverage, no shorting, no macro speculation, and a focus on ignoring noise. Destination analysis and intentional disregard (Priority: 5/5): Sleep and Zak emphasized long shelf-life information, working backward from a business’s future destination, and filtering out ephemeral information and market chatter. Discovery of shared scale economies (Priority: 5/5): Their key ‘earned secret’ was recognizing a business model where scale benefits are shared with customers, creating loyal demand and long-term compounding power. Costco and Amazon as archetypes (Priority: 5/5): The episode explains how Costco and Amazon exemplified the model, rewarding customer loyalty through low prices, operational efficiency, and reinvestment over short-term profits. Returns, temperament, and retirement (Priority: 4/5): It closes with their substantial investment gains, their retirement at 45, and the emotional difficulty of selling Amazon after years of conviction.

Key Arguments: Quality, not money, was the organizing principle of their work; they aimed to do everything right and let profits follow. Their contrarian upbringing and careers made them unusually independent and resistant to herd behavior. Most market information is short-lived and distracting; investors should focus on enduring, decision-relevant information. Destination analysis helps identify what a business must do now to reach a desired long-term outcome. The most powerful business model they identified was shared scale economies, where growth lowers costs and benefits customers. Companies like Costco and Amazon compound because they use scale to reduce prices, increase loyalty, and extend franchise life. Great investing requires temperament: ignoring volatility and upgrading positions during panics can create exceptional outcomes. Their success came from deep research, concentration, and a willingness to hold a few outstanding businesses for many years.

Data Points: Nomad investor profit: about $2 billion - The partnership generated roughly $2 billion in profits for its investors over about 10 years. Nomad fund return period: about 14 years - The fund operated from 2001 until its closure in 2014. Nomad return: 10x - The episode says they wound up roughly 10x-ing investor money over the life of the partnership. Personal wealth growth in retirement: approximately 3x in first five years - After retiring, Sleep and Zak managed their own money with striking success. Concentration in one stock: up to 70% - At times, as much as 70% of their money was in a single stock; later Nick had about 70% of net worth in Amazon. Costco markup: no more than 15% above cost - Used as evidence of Costco’s customer-friendly economics compared with typical supermarkets. Typical supermarket markup: up to 30% above cost - Presented as the comparison point for Costco’s lower margins. Costco customer savings ratio: $5 saved for every $1 Costco kept - Nick and Zak estimated members benefited far more than the company retained. Stagecoach purchase price: 14 cents per share - They bought after the stock crashed from $2.84. Stagecoach estimated value: 60 cents per share - Nick and Zak believed the stock was worth substantially more than the market price. Stagecoach sale price: 90 cents per share - They sold after a rebound, only to miss further upside. Stagecoach eventual peak: almost $4 per share - The stock later rose far beyond their sale price, prompting regret. Costco stock range: from $55 down to $30 - Their initial Costco investment came after Wall Street punished low margins. Amazon first purchase price: around $30 per share - They began buying Amazon aggressively in 2005. Nomad drawdown in 2008: 45.3% - Amazon fell by half during the financial crisis, and Nomad experienced a large drawdown. Nomad post-crisis return: 404% - Over the next four years after the 2008 selloff, the fund rebounded sharply. Nomad assets at dissolution: about $3 billion - The partnership had grown significantly by the time it was closed. Amazon market share in Nick’s net worth: more than 70% - By 2018, Amazon represented the majority of Nick Sleep’s wealth. Amazon sale amount: half his stake in one day - Nick sold part of his Amazon position after years of holding. Amazon sale price: $1,500 per share - Price at which he sold half his stake.

Pivotal Quotes: "The art of being wise is the art of knowing what to overlook." — Nick Sleep: Used to describe Nomad’s discipline of ignoring ephemeral information and market noise. "It’s not the cake that gratifies us. What we found gratifying was the process." — Nick Sleep: Explains that the intellectual process mattered more than money or performance. "My father had made his money on things he understood and lost them on things he didn’t understand." — Zack Zakaria: A formative lesson about investing within one’s circle of competence.

Implications: For investors and operators, the episode reinforces that durable success comes from quality, concentration, customer value, and patience. It argues that the best outcomes come from building around long-lived truths rather than reacting to short-term noise.

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