Accidental Tech Podcast
Accidental Tech Podcast

423: Fort of HomePods

* What would it take to get Marco into a concert? * LivePhish * Do By Friday #232: Panatee * Reconcilable Differences #152: Warnings of Gales in Trafalgar * Follow-up: * Tesla Wheel of Shame * Hong Kong (via Cilver Aullet) * DC (via TG Cid) * Houston (via Aaron Farnham) * App Store Pricing Policing

Featured Speakers

Marco Arment, Casey Liss, John Siracusa Host

Topics Discussed

Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode ranges from COVID-era social awkwardness and concert nostalgia to deep dives on Apple’s App Store policies, gaming on the Mac, and the HomePod’s design tradeoffs. The hosts also cover ATP membership changes, Google’s lower app store commission, photo-library architecture, home networking advice, and a wireless CarPlay dongle test, often using these examples to critique Apple’s incentives, execution, and ecosystem strategy.

Main Topics: COVID-era aging, concerts, and live music as a reopening ritual: The hosts joke about being mistaken for college students and discuss whether they’d attend concerts again, especially as live music returns after COVID. The discussion centers on Phish fandom, live-show downloads, and the emotional appeal of a post-pandemic concert comeback. App Store pricing controls and Apple’s inconsistent enforcement: A developer’s app was questioned by Apple over whether a $49/month price was intentional, illustrating Apple’s power over pricing and the frustration of opaque, inconsistent review decisions. The hosts compare this to scam-app policing and note similar concerns about stale or abandoned apps being rejected. Why Mac gaming remains weak compared with consoles and mobile: The conversation argues that Apple’s platform choices, hardware priorities, and developer relations make the Mac unattractive for game developers. They contrast this with console ecosystems, where the larger upside justifies painful certification processes, and note that Apple’s real gaming success is in mobile. HomePod discontinuation and product/design missteps: The hosts dissect why the full-size HomePod may have failed: overengineering, high cost, sluggish Siri response, and a design goal of single-speaker room-filling audio that physics never really made compelling. They compare it with the cheaper HomePod mini and speculate about a future HomePod with a screen. Apple, Google, and app-store commission policy: Google’s move to a 15% commission on the first $1M of revenue is contrasted with Apple’s small-business program. The hosts criticize Apple’s more cumbersome, approval-based approach as needlessly complex and less aligned with its purported simplicity and holistic-company philosophy. ATP membership, billing changes, and show housekeeping: Marco explains fixes for a duplicate-subscription billing bug, then announces new annual billing and new currency options (USD, EUR, GBP). The segment also teases upcoming WWDC merch and reiterates the value of ATP memberships. Practical tech advice: photo libraries, network wiring, and wireless CarPlay: Listener questions prompt explanations of why photo libraries need metadata, why OS update downloads have become large, how to plan home Ethernet runs, and whether a wireless CarPlay adapter is worthwhile. The consensus is pragmatic: use conduit or accessible routes when possible, plan for future speeds, and accept useful hacks when they work.

Key Arguments: Live music will feel especially meaningful after pandemic restrictions; the first major concerts back may be celebratory even if the performances are imperfect. Apple’s App Store review system can be too arbitrary, with pricing and abandonment decisions applied inconsistently, which makes developers uneasy even when they are doing nothing wrong. The Mac is not a compelling game platform because Apple’s hardware, pricing, and policies do not align with what serious game developers and gamers want. The HomePod’s failure was less about lack of market and more about Apple overengineering a single-speaker solution that physics and cost did not justify. Google’s commission cut is simpler and more developer-friendly than Apple’s small-business program, which adds bureaucracy and weird incentives. A photo app cannot be “just files” once you need edits, albums, search, thumbnails, sharing formats, and metadata; a library abstraction becomes inevitable. For home networking, reasonable planning and accessible cable paths matter more than trying to over-optimize; Cat6/Cat6A is sufficient for many future needs. Wireless CarPlay adapters are a reasonable convenience tradeoff if a little latency is acceptable.

Data Points: COVID vaccine eligibility in New York: Age 50 and up - A neighbor forwarded an announcement that prompted jokes about age and appearance. Speaker age: 38 / turning 39 - Used in a joke about being mistaken for college-affiliated. Phish live-show output: About 15 new live shows per year - Marco described LivePhish as a steady stream of new, legal live recordings. LivePhish pricing: About $10 per show - Tour passes were estimated around this amount per concert. Tesla repair-wheel color in Hong Kong: Red - Listener-reported variation of the “Wheel of Shame.” Tesla repair-wheel color in DC: Blue - Another regional variation of the spare wheel paint. Tesla repair-wheel variation in Houston: Tesla logo neatly stenciled - A listener reported a different style of wheel marking. Apple small-business App Store threshold: $1 million - Referenced in discussion of Apple vs. Google commission structures. Google Play commission: 15% on first $1M - Google lowered its service fee to match and simplify developer economics. Apple/Google standard commission: 30% above threshold - Both companies still take 30% beyond the initial lower-rate band. Backblaze price: $6/month - Sponsor spot for unlimited cloud backup. Backblaze retention add-on: $2/month - Extra fee to extend file history up to one year. Backblaze file restores: 50 billion+ files - Sponsor statistic cited during ad read. Backblaze customer data: Over an exabyte - Sponsor statistic cited during ad read. HomePod launch price: $350 - Used to argue it was too expensive relative to its actual utility. HomePod mini price: $100 - Contrasted with the full-size HomePod’s cost and complexity. HomePod hardware: 7 horn-loaded tweeters - Cited as part of the overengineered audio design. HomePod processor: A8 - Original full-size HomePod used an iPhone 6-era chip. HomePod mini processor: S5 - Apple Watch Series 5 chip, suggested to be faster for assistant tasks. Ethernet cable recommendation: Cat6/Cat6A - Suggested as practical future-proof wiring for homes. Cat6 10GbE range: Up to ~55 meters - Mentioned in chat as practical support distance. Wireless CarPlay adapter price: About $130 (later noted $110) - Used as a birthday gift example and convenience tradeoff. ATP membership annual options: USD, EUR (€7), GBP (£6) - New billing and currency support announced for members. ATP membership discount on merch: 15% - Members get this discount on upcoming ATP merchandise.

Pivotal Quotes: "If you’re hanging around with a bunch of college students and someone mistakes you for a college student, it’s all about context, right?" — John/Marco banter: Opening joke about being mistaken for younger than they are. "I think the idea of having all this time off where we were forced not to have live music, once it opens up again, whenever that is, I think there’s going to be just a massive celebration from people." — Marco: Why reopening concerts may feel emotionally huge after COVID. "Apple seems to dictate certain things to developers. Certain things are nice. ... For the most part, the overall attitude for Apple towards developers ... here’s a new hurdle. You have to deal with it, period." — Marco: Critique of Apple’s developer relations and platform posture.

Implications: Listeners get a snapshot of how Apple’s policies shape developer behavior, product design, and ecosystem loyalty. The broader takeaway: simple rules, good incentives, and practical engineering often matter more than grand ambition or overcontrol.

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