Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn
Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn

902: In Case You Missed It in June 2025

In this episode of “In Case You Missed It”, Jon recaps his June interviews on The SuperDataScience Podcast. Hear from Diane Hare, Avery Smith, Kirill Eremenko, and Shaun Johnson as they talk about the best portfolios for AI practitioners, how to stand out in a saturated candidate market for AI roles

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Executive Summary: This roundup episode highlights practical advice on driving AI-enabled change, building job-ready data portfolios, landing roles through networking, and evaluating early-stage AI startups. Across clips, guests emphasize action over perfection: align leadership and frontline teams, use proof points, create personal projects you can finish, prioritize early adopters and real-world experience, and bet on teams that combine AI depth with commercial savvy.

Main Topics: Driving organizational change with AI: Diane Hare outlines five tactics for successful transformation: align leadership and frontline staff, support bold claims with proof, inspire rather than only incentivize, focus on early adopters, and have the courage to lead first. Building a strong data portfolio: Avery Smith recommends choosing projects you care about, avoiding perfectionism, and starting with practical pieces like SQL and data visualization projects, especially those relevant to target employers. Personal projects and analytical mindset: The discussion expands on how personal-life datasets and everyday tasks can become portfolio material, while also showing how an analytical mindset can make non-data roles look data-driven. Networking and career mobility: Kirill Aramenko shares a story about a senior developer aiming to move into ML/AI and argues that networking, meetups, and collaborative communities are often the best path to opportunities. What startup investors look for in AI: Sean Johnson explains that early-stage AI investing is primarily a people bet, with emphasis on AI nativeness, commercial savvy, and the ability to pivot as the market evolves. The role of AI expertise on founding teams: The conversation challenges the idea that every AI startup needs a dedicated PhD-level AI expert, arguing instead for builders who can read papers and apply new research in production.

Key Arguments: AI transformation succeeds when change is driven from the top and enabled from the ground up; leaders must bridge executive alignment with frontline execution. Bold ideas need proof points because different audiences need evidence to trust and understand the message. In change management, inspiration can be more effective than incentives because people contribute discretionary effort when they feel part of a larger mission. For job seekers, finishing a few meaningful projects is better than endlessly collecting unfinished ones; progress beats perfection. Personal projects are powerful because they are motivating and resume-friendly, but they can be time-intensive due to data-collection friction. Even jobs outside data can be reframed analytically; small experiments like A/B testing outreach messages can become strong resume bullets. Networking—especially via in-person meetups and collaborative communities—helps candidates bypass crowded applicant funnels and get in front of decision-makers. Early-stage startup success depends more on the team than on perfect market prediction; investors want founders who can execute and pivot quickly. For AI startups, the key evaluation dimensions are AI nativeness and market/commercial savviness, with advisors or team composition used to fill gaps. As AI markets mature, consensus applications become crowded, making non-consensus market insight and differentiation increasingly important. AI teams do not necessarily need a separate paper-only expert if their production builders can keep up with research and apply it effectively.

Data Points: Change framework: 5 tips - Diane Hare’s advice for enabling organizational AI change Portfolio starter set: 1 SQL project + 1 data visualization project - Avery Smith’s concise baseline recommendation for entry-level data candidates Suggested project mix examples: Machine vision, NLP, tabular data - Avery’s examples of project variety for machine learning/data science portfolios Career horizon: At least 15 years - Clara’s estimate of remaining time in the workforce Experience span: 2 decades or more - Clara’s background in software engineering and related roles Boot camp launch year: 2021 - Avery described building his boot camp around personal portfolio projects Early adopter segment: 18% - Diane Hare’s advice to focus on the “early adopters, not the naysayers” Salary target: $200,000+ - Clara’s goal for her next role AI course count: 4 courses - Clara completed multiple machine learning courses before seeking AI/ML roles Job market condition: Thousands of applicants per job - Clara’s challenge in breaking into AI/ML roles through standard applications

Pivotal Quotes: "Top-down, bottoms up." — Diane Hare: Her first tip for driving AI and organizational change "The impact you have is bigger than you." — Diane Hare: Explaining why inspiration can outperform incentives in change programs "Early stage is really a game of people." — Sean Johnson: His view on how investors evaluate AI startups

Implications: For professionals and organizations, success in AI will depend less on abstract ambition and more on execution: align people, show evidence, build finished projects, network strategically, and invest in teams that can adapt fast as AI markets evolve.

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