Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn
Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn

935: Global Issues Accelerated by AI (with Solutions), feat. Stephanie Hare

Jon Krohn speaks to researcher, broadcaster and author Stephanie Hare about how the Hippocratic Oath might apply to artificial intelligence, and a guiding ethos for pushing innovation while protecting users from harm. A code of conduct, she says, could be one approach to ensuring that people are usi

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Executive Summary: Dr. Stephanie Hare argues that technology ethics means maximizing benefits and minimizing harms, and that technologists should adopt a Hippocratic-style ethos even if not a formal oath. She stresses regulating harmful use cases, not tools, warns that AI slop and social-media incentives degrade discourse, and says the biggest frontier challenge is climate and biodiversity, constrained by energy, water, and infrastructure realities.

Main Topics: Defining technology ethics: Hare frames technology ethics as a practical discipline: maximize benefits, minimize harms, and treat technology broadly as tools, processes, and systems—not just AI. Hippocratic oath for technologists: She supports the spirit of a non-enforceable professional oath for technologists as an ethos of care and responsibility, inspired by medicine’s post-WWII reckoning. Regulate use cases, not tools: Using the fork analogy, Hare argues regulation should target harmful actions and outcomes rather than the tool itself, so innovation is not unnecessarily stifled. AI slop and internet degradation: The conversation explores how generative AI may flood the internet and workplaces with low-quality content, worsening an already degraded online environment and pushing people back toward real-world interactions. Attention, media incentives, and social media addiction: Hare describes social platforms as engineered to addict users and argues that news and social media often amplify outrage because it is profitable and engaging. Climate, infrastructure, and AI limits: She warns that national AI ambitions collide with aging grids, water scarcity, and massive data-center demands, making climate and biodiversity the most urgent frontier issue. Research, broadcasting, and staying grounded: Hare explains how she avoids sensationalism by asking what real people care about, talking across sectors, and spending more time offline and in person to maintain perspective.

Key Arguments: Technology ethics should be broad: it applies to any tool or process, and the goal is to maximize benefits while minimizing harms. A professional oath for technologists would be valuable mainly as a cultural norm and training signal, not as a legal enforcement mechanism. The right regulatory target is the harmful use case, not the underlying tool; regulation should be clear, minimal, and enforceable. Medical ethics offers a useful precedent because medicine rebuilt trust after WWII by confronting the profession’s role in abuse and murder. The internet and social media are already harmful in many ways; AI may intensify content pollution and make people value offline, human-scale interactions again. People outside tech are usually more interested in practical questions like jobs, school, safety, and ROI than in inside-baseball tech narratives. Climate change and biodiversity loss deserve higher priority than frontier-tech hype because they affect everything, including AI’s own feasibility. AI deployment is constrained by physical infrastructure: electricity grids, water availability, land, and political will matter more than hype.

Data Points: Book publication year: 2022 - Technology Is Not Neutral was published in February 2022. Time in first tech job: 2000 - Hare says her first tech job began in 2000, near the end of the dot-com boom. Training at Accenture: 2 weeks - She recalls receiving only about two weeks of training before being pushed into systems work. Podcast episode number: 935 - The episode’s show notes are listed under Super Data Science episode 935. Summer heat waves in the UK: 4 - Hare mentions the UK experienced four heat waves that summer. Current UK electricity price context: Highest in Europe - She notes the UK has the highest electricity prices in Europe while discussing AI infrastructure stress. Philosophy in French schooling: Mandatory high school philosophy - She says French students must pass philosophy to graduate high school and often study it extensively. AI model productivity claim: 90–95% code generation - An ad read mentions Fabi’s AI models generating most code for SQL and Python workflows. Client productivity claim: Up to 50x faster - An ad read cites one Fabi client achieving up to 50 times faster exploratory data analysis. Insight speed improvement: 94% reduction - An ad read cites another client reducing time to business intelligence insights by 94%.

Pivotal Quotes: "How do we maximize the benefits and minimize the harms of anything that we are investing in, building, or using that could be described as a technology or a tool?" — Stephanie Hare: Her core definition of technology ethics. "The first is your first do no harm. Which I think is totally appropriate for technologists to embrace as well." — Stephanie Hare: Her argument for a Hippocratic-style ethos for tech professionals. "The majority of people on this planet are not involved in cryptocurrency and they’re not on Twitter." — Stephanie Hare: She explains why communicators should focus on what ordinary people actually care about.

Implications: Listeners should think less about hype and more about real-world harms, incentives, and infrastructure. For industry, the message is to build ethical guardrails, prioritize climate realities, and design tools that serve human needs rather than outrage or slop.

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