Planetary Radio: Space Exploration, Astronomy and Science
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A Small, Distant World: Kepler 138b

SETI Institute scientist Jason Rowe returns to tell us about the smallest exoplanet so far that has had its size and mass determined. Jason also talks with Mat about our ever-expanding knowledge of these worlds that circle faraway stars.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Executive Summary: This episode spans two major space stories: New Horizons’ imminent Pluto flyby and the Kepler team’s breakthrough characterization of Kepler-138b, the smallest exoplanet yet measured for both mass and radius. It blends mission updates, planetary science, exoplanet methods, and future observatories like JWST, while also covering night-sky highlights and a trivia contest.

Main Topics: New Horizons at Pluto: Emily Lakdawalla reports live from APL as New Horizons prepares for its historic Pluto flyby, with spacecraft health good, data downlinks on schedule, and early results beginning to reshape what Pluto is. Pluto’s early science results: The first measurements refine Pluto’s size, confirm compositional differences between pole and equator, and show terrain unlike anything seen on other icy worlds, hinting at a distinctive geology. Kepler-138b: smallest well-characterized exoplanet: Jason Rowe discusses how Kepler-138b became the first planet smaller than Earth for which both mass and radius were measured, offering a Mars-like benchmark for exoplanet studies. Transit timing variations as a mass-measurement tool: The Kepler team inferred masses by tracking how three planets in the same system tug on one another, causing transits to arrive early or late by hours. Building the exoplanet mass-radius landscape: Rowe explains an animation/chart showing how known planets populate the mass-radius diagram from gas giants to Mars-sized worlds, and why many gaps remain. Future exoplanet and astrobiology work with JWST: Rowe’s move to the University of Montreal to work on JWST highlights the next phase: probing rocky-world atmospheres for possible biomarkers such as oxygen, ozone, and water. Space trivia and skywatching: Bruce Betts provides weekly sky highlights, a Pluto-themed history note, and the trivia contest centered on Pluto’s moons and mythology.

Key Arguments: New Horizons is operating normally, and its flyby is expected to deliver increasingly detailed views of Pluto in the days and weeks ahead. Pluto’s newly refined diameter makes it slightly larger than Eris in size, though Eris remains more massive, underscoring that similar-sized bodies can have very different histories. Early compositional data show Pluto has a methane- and nitrogen-rich polar cap and a different equatorial composition, suggesting real geological diversity. Kepler-138b is a major milestone because it is the smallest planet for which both mass and radius have been measured, tightening constraints on exoplanet composition. Transit timing variations let astronomers infer planetary masses from gravitational interactions, analogous to how Neptune was inferred from Uranus’s orbital deviations. The mass-radius relation is still sparsely populated for small rocky planets, so broader surveys and improved radial-velocity work are needed to fill in the picture. JWST will extend Kepler’s legacy by enabling atmospheric characterization of rocky exoplanets, though biosignature detection will remain challenging.

Data Points: Distance to Kepler-138 system: 200 light years - The exoplanet Kepler-138b is described as being about 200 light years from Earth. Kepler-138b orbital period: 10 days - Rowe says the planet orbits its star once every 10 days. Kepler-138b size: about half the size of Earth - He compares Kepler-138b’s radius to Mars and notes it is roughly half Earth’s size. Kepler-138b mass: about 5% of Earth’s mass - Rowe states the planet is about 5% as massive as Earth, similar to Mars. Pluto diameter: 2,370 ± 20 kilometers - Emily Lakdawalla reports New Horizons’ preliminary measurement of Pluto’s diameter. Eris diameter: 2,336 kilometers - Used for comparison with Pluto’s newly measured size. New Horizons timeline: 9.5 years from launch to flyby - Bill Nye reflects on the long wait since launch in 2005/2006 to the Pluto encounter. Kepler-138 system planet count: 3 planets - Rowe explains that Kepler-138B is one of three planets orbiting the same star. Transit timing deviations: hours early / about an hour later - The planets’ mutual gravity causes transits to shift by hours early or around an hour late. Kepler observation baseline: 4 years - Rowe notes Kepler continuously observed one field of view for four years. Mars flyby anniversary: 50 years - Bruce Betts notes the week marked 50 years since Mariner 4’s successful Mars flyby.

Pivotal Quotes: "It is the first time we've been able to measure both the mass and the radius for a planet that is smaller than the Earth around a distant star." — Jason Rowe: Describing the significance of Kepler-138b’s characterization. "Pluto is its own thing." — Emily Lakdawalla: Summarizing geologists’ early reaction to Pluto’s unusual surface and terrain. "Just because you know the radius of the planet, you don't really know much about its composition or even something as simple as its mass." — Jason Rowe: Explaining why radius alone is insufficient for understanding exoplanets.

Implications: Listeners get a snapshot of two turning points in planetary science: Pluto becoming a richly detailed world instead of a point of light, and exoplanets moving from discovery to physical characterization. The episode points toward a future of atmospheric and habitability studies with JWST and improved mass surveys.

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