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Amazon’s HQ2 was a con, not a contest

Kara and Scott talk about the upshot of the 2018 midterms, Amazon’s surprise HQ2 announcement and how our perception of social media has been permanently changed by bots and trolls. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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NY Mag HostKara Swisher GuestScott Galloway Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Pivot debates post-midterm politics, tech regulation, and corporate power. Kara and Scott largely agree gridlock will limit federal action on tech, while state-level regulation may continue. They dissect Amazon’s HQ2 as a tax-subsidy “con,” argue tech companies owe more civic responsibility to the cities they dominate, and warn that anonymous social media and bots are corrupting public discourse. Scott also predicts a future of recurring-revenue brand bundles across consumer categories.

Main Topics: Midterm results and political gridlock (Priority: 5/5): The hosts express a muted, 'meh' reaction to the election, seeing divided government as preventing major policy movement while offering a tolerable status quo. Tech regulation under a split Congress (Priority: 5/5): They argue that congressional gridlock will likely stall federal privacy or antitrust legislation, shifting regulatory pressure to states like California. Amazon HQ2 as corporate leverage play (Priority: 5/5): Scott frames Amazon’s headquarters search as a strategic con to extract subsidies and favorable terms from cities, not a genuine competition. Corporate civic responsibility in tech cities (Priority: 5/5): The hosts criticize tech firms for benefiting from urban ecosystems without adequately contributing to civic needs like housing, culture, and public services. Social media, anonymity, bots, and misinformation (Priority: 5/5): They discuss how fake accounts, bots, and anonymity enable manipulation, degrade discourse, and may even influence elections and political behavior. Prediction: recurring-revenue bundles and brand ecosystems (Priority: 4/5): Scott predicts future consumer markets will consolidate into subscription-like bundles led by major brands, though Kara pushes back that many firms should stick to their core products.

Key Arguments: Gridlock is preferable to extreme policy swings because it limits harmful federal action while preserving stability. A divided Congress makes major national tech regulation unlikely; states will likely take the lead. Amazon’s HQ2 process was designed to extract tax breaks and incentives, not to genuinely choose among cities. Large tech companies should act like civic institutions and contribute to the cities where they operate. Tech firms have not adequately addressed homelessness, rising rents, or civic engagement in places like San Francisco. Anonymous online behavior and bot networks make platforms easier to manipulate and harder to trust. Platforms should be forced to verify that accounts are real people and eliminate bots. Social media companies should be accountable for cleaning up the toxic environment they helped create. Scott believes consumer brands will increasingly bundle services into recurring-revenue ecosystems, similar to Amazon Prime. Kara argues many companies, especially Apple, should remain focused on their core product rather than expand into unrelated service bundles.

Data Points: Businesses founded by Scott Galloway: 9 - QuickBooks ad read in the intro QuickBooks as a partner in Scott's businesses: 8 of 9 - Scott says QuickBooks has been a key partner in eight of his nine businesses Amazon headquarters locations discussed: 3 - Seattle, Crystal City, and Long Island City are described as Amazon's three headquarters Average distance from Bezos homes to a headquarters: 6.4 miles - Used to argue Amazon chose locations near Bezos' properties Share of Senate elected by share of population: 70% of the Senate by about 30% of the populace - Scott uses this to illustrate political imbalance favoring red states Population note on Wyoming: Smaller than most congressional districts - Used as an example of Senate overrepresentation Small businesses with workforce of one: 78% - QuickBooks sponsor segment about solo entrepreneurs Scott's estimate of bot-driven Twitter traffic: Between one-third and two-thirds - He argues fake traffic would vanish under real identity enforcement

Pivotal Quotes: "We just can't have nice things in this country." — Kara Swisher: Reaction to the election outcome and the broader political mood "I refer to this not as a contest, but a con." — Scott Galloway: His critique of Amazon's HQ2 process "Companies have to start acting like they belong to a community." — Scott Galloway: His argument that tech firms owe civic obligations to the cities they dominate

Implications: Expect limited federal tech regulation, continued state-level pressure, and more scrutiny of platform authenticity. Cities will face growing demands to hold powerful companies accountable for civic impacts and misinformation.

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With great power, comes great scrutiny. Every Tuesday and Friday, journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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