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Apple iPhone XS event, iPhone XR, and Apple Watch Series 4

Vergecast hosts Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn attended the Apple event on Wednesday, and they were able to get their hands on the new iPhones and Apple Watch that were on display. After the event, they headed to our San Francisco studio to Skype with Paul Miller to record their first impressions, a su

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Executive Summary: The episode is a loopy, extended Verge Cast reaction to Apple’s September event, centered on the iPhone XS, XS Max, XR, Apple Watch Series 4, and software updates. The hosts debate conspiracy theories, camera and display improvements, Apple’s naming/price strategy, eSIM and dual SIM, health features like ECG and fall detection, and whether the new lineup is genuinely compelling or just iterative.

Main Topics: Apple event verdict and AirPower conspiracy (Priority: 5/5): The hosts open by calling the event straightforward but subdued, then spend time on speculation that AirPower and AirPods announcements were cut. They ultimately argue the conspiracy is fun but unlikely to be true, even if Apple quietly scrubbed AirPower from its site. iPhone XS and XS Max: spec bumps and flagship positioning (Priority: 5/5): Discussion focuses on the XS line as a refined iPhone X with a faster A12 chip, improved cameras, better water resistance, and larger 512GB storage. The hosts note the Max is simply the bigger version, and question whether Apple’s branding and high pricing make sense. iPhone XR as the mainstream iPhone (Priority: 5/5): The XR is treated as the most strategically interesting device: colorful, cheaper than the XS, but still premium. The hosts debate its LCD display, lack of 3D Touch, bigger bezels, and whether it replaces the old 'cheap iPhone' role while remaining expensive by normal standards. Camera, computational photography, and display changes (Priority: 4/5): The episode digs into Apple’s new camera pipeline, including deeper pixels, Smart HDR, depth maps, and post-capture portrait editing. The hosts compare Apple’s approach to Google Pixel-style computational photography and clarify that screen improvements were sometimes overstated in the keynote. Apple Watch Series 4: health, larger screen, and new use cases (Priority: 5/5): The Watch is described as the standout product, with a larger display, better haptics, faster performance, fall detection, and an FDA-cleared ECG feature that won’t ship at launch. The hosts see Apple repositioning the Watch toward health and older users, not just fitness. Software ecosystem: HomePod, Siri Shortcuts, and platform control (Priority: 4/5): Apple also highlighted HomePod updates like multiple timers and Siri Shortcuts. The hosts view Shortcuts as unusually powerful—more like Workflow integrated into the OS than Alexa skills—and note Apple’s growing emphasis on cross-device automation and services.

Key Arguments: Apple’s event was not exciting because there was no surprise 'one more thing'; it was a polished, iterative product refresh. The AirPower/ AirPods conspiracy is fun, but the more likely explanation is that Apple simply wasn’t ready to ship those products. XS upgrades are real but incremental: better chip, camera, speakers, and storage—not a revolutionary redesign. The XS Max is mostly just a larger XS, and Apple’s naming scheme is awkward and messy. The XR is Apple’s likely mass-market phone, but it is still not a truly cheap device; it’s a compromise only relative to the XS. Apple’s computational photography strategy is converging on the same territory as Google’s Pixel line. The Apple Watch Series 4 is the most meaningful product update because it significantly expands the watch’s health and safety value. Fall detection and ECG make the Watch appealing not just for fitness enthusiasts but also for older adults and enterprise workers. Siri Shortcuts is a big deal because it turns iOS automation into something much more powerful than typical voice-assistant skills. Apple is pushing users toward eSIM adoption and a dual-SIM future, which reflects a deeper strategic commitment to simplifying carrier switching and travel. Apple’s pricing strategy means many buyers will rationalize spending a little more per month to get the higher-end phone, even though the dollar difference is substantial.

Data Points: iPhone XS display size: 5.8 inches - The standard XS keeps the same size class as the iPhone X. iPhone XS Max display size: 6.5 inches - Apple’s largest iPhone in the lineup, positioned as the bigger flagship model. iPhone XR display size: 6.1 inches - The XR sits between the XS and XS Max in size. iPhone XS Max resolution: 2688 x 1242 - Reported during the discussion of the Max’s larger display. iPhone XR resolution: 1792 x 828 - Described as roughly 720p-class LCD resolution. Base storage on XS/XS Max: 64GB - Apple raised the baseline storage capacity. Top storage option: 512GB - Highest-end storage tier for the XS and XS Max. Neural Engine throughput: 5 trillion operations per second - The A12 Bionic’s upgraded neural engine was highlighted as a major advancement. Previous Neural Engine throughput: 500 billion operations per second - Used as a comparison point for the A11-era chip. Dynamic range improvement: 60% greater - Apple said HDR photos on the new phones have greater dynamic range. Pixel size increase: 3.1 microns to 3.5 microns - Used to describe deeper pixels and better light capture on the new camera sensor. Apple Watch sizes: 40mm and 44mm - Series 4 introduces larger case sizes. Apple Watch old sizes: 38mm and 42mm - Referenced for comparison with previous generations. Apple Watch ECG availability: Later release, not at launch - The ECG feature was presented as coming after initial ship date. iPhone XR price: $750 - Discussed as expensive for a 'mainstream' phone. iPhone XS Max 512GB price: $1,449 - The highest-priced configuration discussed in the episode. Apple Watch update speed: Up to 2x faster - The watch was described as faster when waking or showing information. HomePod feature: Multiple timers - One of the late-announced HomePod software additions. AirPods/charging mat rumor: AirPower scrubbed from site - Used as evidence fueling the AirPower conspiracy theory.

Pivotal Quotes: "The Apple Watch is for three things. Communication, fitness, and health." — Paul/Dieter (discussion of Apple’s framing): Summarizes Apple’s narrowing vision for the Watch "This is the phone people are going to buy." — Paul: Said about the iPhone XR as the likely mainstream option "If a phone company spends more than 45 seconds talking about the speakers on their phone, that means that they don't want to talk about the other parts." — Dieter: A joke about Apple emphasizing speakers and other secondary features

Implications: Apple’s lineup is more polished and strategically segmented than revolutionary. Expect stronger iPhone average selling prices, a bigger role for health-focused wearables, and deeper reliance on computational photography, eSIM, and Siri automation.

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