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Barre3: Sadie Lincoln (2017)

Sadie Lincoln and her husband, Chris, had what seemed like the perfect life – well-paying jobs, a house in the Bay Area, two kids. But one day they decided to sell everything and start a new business called Barre3: a studio exercise program that blends ballet with pilates and yoga. Today, Barre3 has

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Guy Raz | Wondery HostSadie Lincoln Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Sadie Lincoln recounts how Bar 3 grew from a single Portland studio into a global barre fitness brand by combining her fitness-industry experience, a community-first philosophy, and a franchise model. The episode highlights her unconventional upbringing, the personal health and identity crisis that inspired the business, and her deliberate choice to prioritize sustainability, authenticity, and ownership culture over aggressive growth or celebrity branding.

Main Topics: Unconventional upbringing and early identity (Priority: 4/5): Sadie describes growing up in a counterculture, collectively parented household in Taos, New Mexico, which shaped her comfort with nontraditional thinking but also made her feel like a “weird kid” who tried to appear normal. Fitness background and industry apprenticeship (Priority: 5/5): Her years at 24 Hour Fitness gave her deep operational, branding, and multi-unit growth experience, including exposure to global markets and direct mentorship from founder Mark Mastrov. Personal health crisis and fitness rethinking (Priority: 5/5): Despite working in fitness, Sadie felt physically and emotionally unwell until pregnancy helped her reconnect with intuition and question the mainstream fitness formula of calorie counting and idealized bodies. Creation of Bar 3 and early launch (Priority: 5/5): Sadie and Chris sold their house, moved to Oregon, and built Bar 3 around a community studio model that emphasized choice, body awareness, and a personalized workout experience rather than a rigid method. Franchising and owner-operated culture (Priority: 5/5): Instead of taking institutional capital, Bar 3 expanded through owner-operators who were often clients, with Sadie stressing training, trust, and local fingerprints rather than strict top-down control. Tension with celebrity marketing and growth limits (Priority: 4/5): As Bar 3 gained attention, Sadie became uncomfortable with being turned into a fitness guru or brand face, and the company eventually paused franchising to preserve its values and avoid growth for growth’s sake.

Key Arguments: Mainstream fitness often fails people because it sells short-term, idealized results rather than sustainable health and intuitive movement. Pregnancy and motherhood helped Sadie rediscover that health is not a formula but a relationship with one’s body, intuition, and environment. Bar 3 succeeded because it was built in a community that already wanted connection, and because the founders understood both fitness operations and teaching. Franchising worked because the product is not a standardized commodity; it depends on people, relationships, and teacher quality, making owner-operators a better fit than a corporate chain model. Growth is not inherently the goal; preserving culture, sustainability, and control can be more valuable than maximizing valuation. The company’s anti-guru stance differentiates it from image-driven wellness brands and aligns with customers who want strength, belonging, and authenticity.

Data Points: Bar 3 studios: about 130 locations worldwide - Current scale of Sadie Lincoln’s company at the time of the interview. States with Bar 3 studios: 33 states - The introductory host note cites the geographic spread of the brand. Boutique fitness industry size: $30 billion - Guy Raz describes the broader boutique fitness market Bar 3 belongs to. Number of barre studios in the U.S.: more than 700 - Industry context for the barre category’s growth. 24 Hour Fitness growth: 50 gyms to 430 locations - Sadie’s career timeline at 24 Hour Fitness showed the company’s explosive expansion while she worked there. Years at 24 Hour Fitness: 11 years - Sadie stayed long enough to gain major operational and leadership experience. Children: 2 - Sadie and Chris had two children back to back, 18 months apart, during the years leading to Bar 3. Initial studio classes per week: 19 classes - Sadie personally taught this many classes weekly when Bar 3 first opened. Drop-in class price: $20 - The Portland studio’s early per-class price. Return timeline: about 16 months - Sadie says the business reached its return benchmark in this timeframe. Initial outside investment: under $200,000 - Mark Mastrov provided the only outside investment to date. Total early capital including home equity: about $300,000 to $400,000 - Sadie estimates their available funds after selling the house and adding the investment. Franchise locations owned by company: 6 owned locations - Sadie explains the balance between corporate-owned and franchised locations. Franchise locations: 124 franchises - Current franchise count mentioned during the interview. First paying class attendees: 12 people - The night Sadie emailed the community after receiving her occupancy permit. Time of first class email: 2:00 PM - Sadie sent the announcement late afternoon for a 5:45 PM class.

Pivotal Quotes: "Maybe I'm not failing fitness. Maybe fitness is failing me." — Sadie Lincoln: Her pregnancy-era realization that conventional fitness culture was not serving her well-being. "We're the anti-guru company." — Sadie Lincoln: She explains Bar 3’s identity as a teacher-led, non-celebrity brand focused on empowering customers and owners. "We can sell our home, all our possessions, and move to Bend, Oregon and drop out and not work. For? A year." — Chris Lincoln: The spreadsheet proposal that catalyzed the couple’s leap from stability to founding Bar 3.

Implications: Bar 3’s story suggests fitness brands can scale without sacrificing authenticity by prioritizing community, ownership, and sustainability. For founders, it’s a model for growth with boundaries rather than maximization at any cost.

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