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Big Rally. First Sell Signal Since April | Katie Stockton on What the Charts Say Could Come Next

Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies, joins us for her quarterly technical outlook on markets, sectors, and asset classes. In this episode, Katie breaks down what her indicators are showing for equities, discusses the implications of new DeMark signals on the S&P 5

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Executive Summary: Katie Stockton sees a still-strong bull market led by mega-cap tech and AI, but with rising tactical caution: breadth has narrowed, DeMark sell signals have appeared in the NASDAQ and now the S&P 500, and near-term consolidation or correction is increasingly plausible. She remains constructive on the long-term trend while emphasizing selective sector rotation, risk metrics, and time-frame discipline.

Main Topics: Market trend remains bullish but tactically stretched (Priority: 5/5): Stockton describes the S&P 500 as in a powerful, nearly uninterrupted uptrend since the April low, with limited pullbacks. However, she notes loss of breadth and multiple warning indicators suggesting the rally may need to consolidate before continuing. Technical indicators and methodology (Priority: 5/5): She explains how she uses trend-following tools, overbought/oversold signals, support/resistance, relative strength, and multiple timeframes together. Moving averages confirm trend direction, while DeMark and stochastic-type signals help identify exhaustion and timing. S&P 500 and NASDAQ sell signals (Priority: 5/5): The NASDAQ 100 produced an earlier counter-trend sell signal, followed by a new DeMark sell signal on the S&P 500. Stockton says these do not mark the end of the bull market, but they increase the probability of a short-term consolidation or correction. AI and mega-cap leadership (Priority: 4/5): She argues that AI and tech have seen very steep advances, but a correction would likely narrow the theme rather than end it. Her view is that weaker companies may get screened out while stronger fundamentals remain intact. Sector rotation and tactical opportunities (Priority: 4/5): Stockton highlights sector-relative analysis as central to her work and the Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF. She sees opportunities in healthcare and utilities, retains exposure to tech and communications services, and is selective about cyclical or defensive sectors. Macro asset classes: gold, oil, yields, and the dollar (Priority: 4/5): Gold remains in a strong uptrend; crude oil is neutral but could improve above 70; 10-year Treasury yields are in a triangle/neutral range around 4%; and the dollar is in a cyclical downtrend but near secular support. These charts inform broader risk sentiment.

Key Arguments: The S&P 500’s primary trend is still bullish, but the market is becoming more vulnerable to a pause or pullback because breadth has weakened and short-term indicators are rolling over. DeMark sell signals are useful as counter-trend warnings; they do not automatically imply a bear market, only that momentum may be exhausted. Moving averages are trend-confirmation tools, not ideal market-timing devices; overbought/oversold indicators are better for identifying turning points. Seasonality and historical correlations can inform positioning, but should not be the sole basis for trades or allocations. Sector investing is valuable because dispersion is high; choosing the right sectors can improve returns and reduce concentration risk. Healthcare and utilities are emerging as relative opportunities, while consumer staples still lack a strong relative-turnaround signal. Financials have lost relative strength versus the S&P 500, despite still looking decent in absolute terms, so Stockton moved them back to underweight. Gold’s trend is strong and orderly, but its recent breakout means upside is less easily measured now; the main focus is on whether momentum remains intact. Crude oil needs to clear around 70 to improve materially; until then it remains in a range with early signs of a possible bottom. The dollar and 10-year yields are both in neutral consolidation phases; decisive breaks in either direction could shift broader market leadership and risk appetite.

Data Points: S&P 500 measured move objective: 68.80 - Price target from the June breakout that Stockton says remains relevant into early 2026. VIX resistance level: above 18 - A breakout above this range would suggest rising risk and a possible consolidation/correction phase. April low: April 2025 (implied by transcript) - Reference point for the current rally and technical reversal in equities. September S&P 500 performance: about +3.5% - Used to illustrate that seasonal weakness did not materialize as expected. S&P 500 monthly streak: 5 consecutive up months - Demonstrates persistent bullish momentum despite seasonally weak expectations. NASDAQ 100 signal horizon: about 9 weeks - Weekly DeMark sell signal suggests possible consolidation/correction over the next nine weeks. TAC equity exposure: about 87% - Current allocation level in the Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF. TAC non-equity exposure high this year: 25% - Maximum non-equity allocation reached earlier in the year to manage risk. TAC benchmark: Russell 1000 Equal Weight Index - The fund aims to outperform equal-weight equities rather than the cap-weighted S&P 500. TAC technology weight: 12.5% model exposure - Underlying underweight to tech relative to many investors' portfolios. Financials-relative performance change: underweight again - Stockton says the sector’s relative breakdown prompted a move back to underweight. Crude oil resistance: 70 - A technical level Stockton says would signal a more meaningful bullish reversal if broken. 10-year Treasury yield support: just above 4% - Trendline support in the current neutral triangle pattern. 10-year Treasury downside objective: 3.25% to 3.2% - If support breaks, this is cited as a longer-term downside target area. Dollar support: around 97 - Secular uptrend support for the U.S. dollar index. Dollar resistance: around 98.10 - A break above this could signal reversal of the cyclical downtrend.

Pivotal Quotes: "by no means would I see a correction as something that would mark the end of that theme" — Katie Stockton: On whether an AI/tech correction would end the AI-led market rally "what we've noticed from them is that they don't all move up in tandem all the time now" — Katie Stockton: On mega-cap leadership and the growing divergence among major tech names "we're not really willing just to buy a stock that looks like the SP 500, frankly, like something that's been trending higher steeply with no new catalysts" — Katie Stockton: On selective positioning and avoiding indiscriminate chasing of momentum

Implications: Listeners should expect continued long-term equity leadership, but with more tactical volatility ahead. Stockton’s framework favors selective exposure, sector rotation, and disciplined risk management over broad chasing of the rally.

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