The Rational Reminder Podcast
The Rational Reminder Podcast

Bill Janeway: Investing in the Innovation Economy (EP.194)

When it comes to the uncertain future of financial markets and technological innovation, a deep understanding of history and the roots of the systems at play in our contemporary climate is often overlooked. This is the argument made by Bill Janeway, our guest on the show today and the author of Doin

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Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti HostBill Janeway Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Bill Janeway argues that innovation is driven by a “three-player game” among mission-driven states, venture finance, and speculative markets. He shows how bubbles can be productive when they fund transformational technologies, why VC returns are highly skewed and hard to access, and why history matters for understanding innovation, crypto, climate tech, and inequality.

Main Topics: The three-player game of innovation finance (Priority: 5/5): Janeway frames technological progress as an unstable interaction among state funding, financial speculation, and venture capital, where transformative technologies often emerge when these forces temporarily align. Venture capital’s role, scale, and skewed returns (Priority: 5/5): VC has become important only in the last few decades; returns are highly unequal, persistence matters, and top funds can dominate averages while most outcomes remain mediocre or poor. Public markets, late-stage private investing, and bubbles (Priority: 4/5): Low rates and liquidity pushed public-market investors into late-stage private rounds, inflating valuations. Janeway distinguishes productive bubbles in innovation from destructive credit bubbles. State as first customer and the innovation roadmap (Priority: 5/5): He emphasizes the state’s role not just as funder but as a first collaborative customer that pulls technologies down the learning curve, citing semiconductors and the need for similar action in climate tech. History, inequality, and labor-market adjustment (Priority: 4/5): Historical perspective is central to recognizing bubbles, innovation cycles, and labor displacement. He connects declining union density with rising inequality and notes new forms of worker organization in the gig economy. Crypto as infrastructure, not yet a killer app (Priority: 3/5): Janeway is skeptical that crypto has yet produced a true killer app; he stresses tradeoffs between decentralization and performance, the need for lenders of last resort, and the challenges of smart contracts. The division of innovative labor and big-tech acquisition (Priority: 4/5): Large incumbent tech firms increasingly acquire startups, shaping innovation pathways. This division of labor can be productive but is now being altered by antitrust pressure.

Key Arguments: Innovation at the frontier requires funding before outcomes are knowable; the state, speculation, and VC together help supply that capital. VC returns are extremely skewed, with the average often misleading because a few top firms lift the mean far above the median. VC-backed firms show a real treatment effect: on average they grow faster, patent more, and produce more-cited patents than matched non-VC firms. Access to elite VC is constrained by adverse selection: the best funds do not need investors, while the funds that do need capital are often inferior. Recent public-market investors were pushed into late-stage private deals by low rates and liquidity, often at inflated prices and with weaker governance. Productive bubbles can accelerate deployment of transformative technologies; unlike credit bubbles, they do not usually destroy the underlying real assets when they burst. The state’s most valuable role is often as an early, mission-driven customer that validates technology and helps scale it, especially in sectors like semiconductors and climate tech. Climate change needs a similar public-private innovation model, with upstream science funding, multiple experiments, and infrastructure investment in grids and storage. Crypto faces structural limits: fully decentralized systems sacrifice performance, and practical financial systems still require trust, liquidity support, and dispute resolution. Historical literacy helps investors and policymakers recognize recurring patterns in bubbles, labor displacement, and industrial change rather than believing “this time is different.” Large tech platforms now absorb many startups, which changes venture incentives and may be disrupted by antitrust enforcement.

Data Points: VC share of annual US startups funded: barely 1,000 out of about 1,000,000 new firms per year - Janeway notes VC-backed firms are a tiny fraction of entrepreneurial activity Households with a union member at peak: about 35% - Union density in US households peaked between 1950 and 1960 Households with a union member today: about 12%–13% - Includes public-sector unions in contemporary estimates Private-sector union density today: 7% - Current unionization in the private sector Average annual VC fundraising, 2018–2020: about $75 billion per year - High but below 2021 levels VC invested in venture-backed private companies in 2021: about $335 billion - A surge driven partly by non-traditional investors Non-traditional investor contribution in 2021: well over $200 billion - Hedge funds, mutual funds, sovereign wealth funds, family offices Reported VC industry returns around 2021: up to 40%–50% per year - Janeway cautions most were mark-to-market, not realized Mark-to-market share of 2021 VC returns: well over 80% - Meaning actual cash realization was not yet known Typical venture fundraising in early 1980s to early 1990s: $1–5 billion per year - VC was a much smaller industry then Early 1990s venture vintage performance: significantly better than public markets - Especially 1993–1996 vintages Early venture performance period: 1978 for about 15 years was at best equivalent to S&P/Nasdaq - After adjusting for illiquidity assumptions Investment scale in 2021 VC market: $125 billion raised; $335 billion invested - Shows the scale mismatch between funds raised and capital deployed BEA Systems IPO example: $6 after a planned $12 offering; later $80 six months later - Illustrates timing and volatility in public market valuation

Pivotal Quotes: "My notion of the three-player game is this interaction that never finds an equilibrium." — Bill Janeway: Explaining the interaction among state programs, speculation, and venture capital "If you really want a truly decentralized network where there is no one in any position of control, the performance is going to suck." — Bill Janeway: His critique of crypto’s decentralization-versus-performance tradeoff "The state being a major player in innovation economies." — Benjamin Felix / Cameron Passmore framing Bill Janeway's thesis: Summarizing the podcast’s central innovation-finance theme

Implications: For investors and policymakers, innovation is not just a startup story: public R&D, patient capital, and market structure shape outcomes. Be cautious with bubble-driven valuations, skeptical of crypto hype, and attentive to the state’s role in climate and deep-tech transitions.

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A weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making, from three Canadians. Hosted by Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti, Portfolio Managers at PWL Capital.

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