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Brendan Carr is a dummy

Åhead of our last Friday episode of 2025, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr did The Vergecast an enormous favor: he went in front of Congress and said a bunch of wild things about regulation. So, of course, Nilay and David have to talk about them. For a really long time. After that, the hosts look at all th

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on a blistering critique of FCC Chair Brendan Carr’s Senate testimony, arguing that he is using broadcast-specific regulations and an expansive view of agency power to police speech and intimidate media outlets. The hosts then pivot to streaming-industry shifts, showing how Netflix, YouTube, Disney, Apple, and others are converging on the same TV-like and internet-like distribution models while the middle tier of streaming keeps hollowing out.

Main Topics: Brendan Carr and FCC speech power (Priority: 5/5): The hosts unpack Carr’s Senate Commerce hearing, arguing he is weaponizing broadcast regulations, leaning on a vague "public interest" standard, and positioning the FCC as a censorship tool aligned with Donald Trump. Broadcast vs. internet regulation (Priority: 5/5): A major thread is the outdated distinction between over-the-air broadcasting and internet-delivered video. The hosts contrast Carr’s approach with an earlier conservative deregulatory stance represented by Michael Powell. Jimmy Kimmel as the hearing’s center of gravity (Priority: 4/5): The hearing repeatedly returned to Carr’s threats around Jimmy Kimmel’s comments after Charlie Kirk’s killing, framing the event as a political and media free-speech showdown rather than a routine policy hearing. Streaming wars and platform convergence (Priority: 5/5): The second half surveys streaming developments: Oscars moving to YouTube, Netflix buying sports and video-podcast rights, HBO Max adding channels, Peacock adding ad load, and platform competition blurring into one TV-like ecosystem. The Go90 scale of streaming services (Priority: 4/5): The hosts revive their internal "Go90" dead/alive scale and rank major streamers based on health and strategic position, finding Netflix and YouTube essentially invincible while Paramount Plus is near collapse. AI interfaces and product reality (Priority: 3/5): A lightning-round discussion covers browser bookmarks pretending to be AI apps, chatbot-wrapped device interfaces, and the gap between glossy AI demos and what products can actually do. Hardware, mobility, and product strategy (Priority: 3/5): The conversation ends with Ford’s electric-truck strategy and Meta’s paused VR licensing, used as examples of companies retreating from ambitious bets and re-centering on more practical bets like AI, glasses, and hybrid powertrains.

Key Arguments: Carr’s testimony is not just legally dubious; it reflects a broader conservative shift from deregulation to direct state control over media speech. Broadcast-specific rules once made sense when over-the-air TV was scarce, but they are incoherent in a world where audiences watch across antennas, cable, YouTube, streaming, and social platforms. Carr’s rhetoric around "public interest" and "news distortion" sounds like neutral enforcement, but in practice it is selectively applied pressure against critics of Trump. Congress created independent agencies to insulate enforcement from politics; Carr’s unitary-executive logic collapses that independence and makes the FCC subordinate to the president. The streaming business is converging: YouTube and Netflix are becoming the dominant gravity wells, while smaller services increasingly survive through library value, sports, or aggressive bundling. Award shows, video podcasts, and even games are migrating toward platforms with audience scale, signaling that old broadcast institutions are losing leverage. Many current AI experiences are superficial wrappers—chatbots, browser links, and demos that exaggerate capability rather than changing workflows in substantive ways. Companies often avoid hard execution problems and instead pursue marketing gimmicks or acquisitions; doing a good job remains an underused strategy.

Data Points: CES live show date: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 at 3:30 p.m. - Announced for the Vergecast live event at Brooklyn Bowl in Las Vegas Brooklyn Bowl live-show venue: Brooklyn Bowl, Las Vegas - Location of the CES Vergecast live show FCC commissioners at hearing: 3 - Brendan Carr, Olivia Trusty, and Anna Gomez were all present at the Senate Commerce Committee hearing Senate hearing topic emphasis: Jimmy Kimmel - Hosts said Kimmel came up repeatedly and effectively dominated the hearing Michael Powell interview age: 13 years ago - The hosts referenced a 2012 interview with former FCC Chair Michael Powell Spectrum reallocation example: 700-megahertz spectrum - Used as an example of the government reallocating public airwaves from broadcasters to LTE Go90 scale dead zone: 90 degrees - Their internal scale marks services as closer to dead the closer they are to 90 HBO Max rating on Go90 scale: 75 - Final consensus ranking in the streaming-service game YouTube rating on Go90 scale: 0 - Rated as default alive and effectively untouchable Disney Plus rating on Go90 scale: 1 - Given a near-zero but not dead status due to Disney’s scale and ecosystem strength Apple TV rating on Go90 scale: 60 - Seen as viable but dependent on continued executive support Peacock rating on Go90 scale: 64 - Considered alive but vulnerable due to ad pressure and middling strategic position Prime Video rating on Go90 scale: 70 - Held up by Amazon’s resources but seen as at risk if priorities shift Paramount Plus rating on Go90 scale: 85 - Judged close to collapse despite valuable franchises Netflix rating on Go90 scale: 0 - Seen as fully alive and one of the two dominant streaming winners TikTok/Blue Sky contact import concern: 1-way and 2-way matching - Blue Sky’s contacts feature only connects users when both sides have uploaded contacts and match numbers Mercedes MBUX Sound Drive launch tracks: 30 pre-selected tracks - Will.I.Am’s in-car music feature launched with a limited catalog before being deactivated LinkedIn hiring stat: 30% more likely to stick around for at least a year - Claim about employees hired through LinkedIn compared with competitors OScars on YouTube start year: 2029 - The Academy Awards are moving to YouTube as a streaming host starting then One story about a show: Season 2 of Heated Rivalry was picked up - Used in the HBO Max ranking discussion as evidence the service has some momentum

Pivotal Quotes: "The FCC is indeed independent. Yes or no? Is not." — Brendan Carr (quoted in hearing): Carr dodges a direct question about whether the FCC is an independent agency, then effectively rejects the premise "The a la carte model where you just pick your services. It's deceptively attractive until you do math." — Michael Powell (quoted by David Pierce): Used to frame a broader argument that deregulation and unbundling don’t necessarily help consumers "What I am saying is any broadcaster that uses the airways, whether radio or TV, has to comply with the public interest..." — Brendan Carr: Carr defends using broadcast-specific rules and selective enforcement as a justification for FCC intervention

Implications: The episode suggests regulators may use legacy broadcast law to revive speech control, while media and tech companies continue converging into a few dominant platforms. Listeners should expect more fights over censorship, mergers, AI product hype, and the collapse of the old streaming middle class.

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