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Can Trump Deliver Peace in Ukraine? With Catherine Belton

In today's episode we’re joined today by journalist and author Catherine Belton to continue our discussion on whether President Trump can deliver a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Belton speaks with Conor Boyle, Head of Programming at Intelligence Squared, about what Putin’s long-term am

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Executive Summary: Catherine Belton argues that Trump’s recent diplomacy on Ukraine has produced spectacle more than substance: the Alaska summit and Washington meetings left Russia largely unchanged, exposed misunderstandings in Trump’s team, and delayed pressure on Moscow. She says sanctions and the threat of secondary sanctions still matter, while the war, economic strain, and European coordination may ultimately constrain Putin.

Main Topics: Trump’s summit diplomacy: spectacle vs. substance (Priority: 5/5): Belton says the Alaska summit and follow-on meetings generated headlines but little concrete progress, with Putin gaining optics and time rather than a deal. Misunderstandings inside Trump’s team (Priority: 5/5): She argues Trump’s envoys, especially Steve Witkoff, repeatedly misunderstood Russian positions on territorial swaps and security guarantees, creating false optimism. Sanctions and secondary sanctions as leverage (Priority: 5/5): Belton contends the threat of sanctions—especially on India and China as Russian oil buyers—was a real point of pressure that may have helped bring the Kremlin to talks. Russia’s war economy under strain (Priority: 5/5): She details worsening inflation, high interest rates, falling bank revenues, rising non-payments, and warnings of recession or even pre-default conditions inside Russia. European unity and Ukraine’s adaptation to Trump (Priority: 4/5): Belton says Ukraine and Europe have learned to manage Trump better, including shifting to purchasing U.S. weapons, while also working to keep European support cohesive. Russian influence operations and European politics (Priority: 4/5): She warns Russia aims to exploit populist and pro-Russian actors across Europe and online ecosystems to weaken Western unity and reshape the West’s political landscape. Autocracy, transactional politics, and global order (Priority: 4/5): Belton links Trump’s transactional style and Russia’s ambitions to broader concerns about an emerging 'autocracy Inc.' model that could erode rules-based order.

Key Arguments: The Alaska summit produced no durable breakthrough; Russia retained its positions and did not concede meaningful territory or security terms. Trump’s team lacks expertise on Russia, leading to repeated misunderstandings that Moscow can exploit. The proposed Russian 'security guarantees' are not real guarantees if Russia retains a veto over defending Ukraine; this is unacceptable to Ukraine and Europe. Threats of secondary sanctions on major Russian oil buyers such as India and China are significant leverage and appear to have worried the Kremlin. Russia’s economy is under mounting pressure from sanctions, inflation, high interest rates, weakening banks, and industrial distress, so time is not entirely on Putin’s side. Putin hoped to use the summit to pull Trump toward Russia’s preferred settlement and reopen broader U.S.-Russia economic cooperation, but did not fully succeed. Europe and Ukraine have improved their handling of Trump, reducing the risk that he can be easily maneuvered into an anti-Ukraine deal. Russia will continue influence operations in Europe, supporting populist/pro-Russian forces and exploiting social media and political fractures. If Putin fully aligns Trump with his worldview, the broader liberal order could erode into a more openly authoritarian international system.

Data Points: Summit duration: About half of the expected 6–7 hours - Belton says the Alaska summit ended much sooner than the Kremlin had anticipated. Russian casualties: More than 1 million total casualties - Used to emphasize the human cost of the war and pressure on Russia’s manpower. Russian interest rates: Over 20%, now around 18% - Belton cites very high rates as evidence of economic strain and tight monetary conditions. VTB revenue decline: Down 49% in the first half of the year - She uses this to show stress in Russia’s banking sector. Potential war endurance: Another 18 months - Economists she references say Russia could sustain the war this long if sanctions and oil prices remain as they are. Oil price trigger: Another $10 fall - Belton says Trump suggested a further $10 drop in oil prices could force Putin to stop the war. U.S. weapons package: $100 billion - She says Europe has promised to help fund major U.S. arms purchases for Ukraine. Romania polling surge: From less than 1% to a major surge - Belton describes pro-Russian candidate Călin Georgescu’s sudden rise via social media.

Pivotal Quotes: "we don't have a deal till we have a deal" — Catherine Belton (quoting Donald Trump): She uses this to show Trump left the summit without committing to Putin’s desired settlement. "Putting the fox in charge of the henhouse" — Catherine Belton: Her description of Russia’s proposed role in Ukraine security guarantees, which she says are fundamentally absurd. "we are in a pre-default situation" — Alexander Shukhin (as cited by Belton): Belton references this warning from a powerful Russian business figure to illustrate deep economic distress.

Implications: The episode suggests the war may hinge less on summit theatrics than on sanctions, oil revenues, and whether Europe stays unified. Ukraine and allies must manage Trump carefully while Russia faces growing economic and political pressure.

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