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Chris DeMuth's State of the Markets September 2023

It's time to welcome back Chris DeMuth for his monthly state of the markets. For this September 2023 edition, Chris provides his take on Amazon FTC case, Scultpor Capital Management bid, monthly antitrust update, and more! For more information about Rangeley Capital, please visit: http://www.ra

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on Chris Youth’s September 2023 market update, with emphasis on antitrust litigation, merger arbitrage, and optionality in deal situations. He argues that anti-competitive scrutiny is intensifying, many agency cases are weak, and investors can find attractive risk/reward in deals where a higher bidder or strategic complication creates upside beyond the base spread. He is constructive on oil and gas M&A and expects Activision-Microsoft to close.

Main Topics: Antitrust litigation and regulatory overreach (Priority: 5/5): Youth says antitrust is dominating his research because agencies are bringing aggressive cases, often facing strong judicial pushback. He views many current cases as weak or outdated relative to modern tech and market structures. Merger arbitrage with takeover optionality (Priority: 5/5): The discussion repeatedly returns to deals with modest base IRRs but large upside from a second bidder or a strategic twist. He prefers situations where a mediocre spread is supplemented by a meaningful free option. Sculptor, MMP/OKE, and other control-vs-price conflicts (Priority: 4/5): They discuss how non-price factors like CEO retention, tax consequences, and board incentives can override pure economic value in takeover outcomes, sometimes frustrating minority holders. Amazon FTC case and big-tech antitrust (Priority: 5/5): Youth thinks the Amazon case is unlikely to be an actionable stock event because the market anticipated it and the legal merits are weak relative to consumer outcomes. He is more sympathetic to antitrust scrutiny of the App Store. iRobot deal and antitrust risk (Priority: 4/5): He views the Amazon-iRobot transaction as relatively clean on antitrust grounds and expects it to be approvable, though he is less enthusiastic about owning iRobot if the deal breaks. Activision-Microsoft resolution (Priority: 3/5): Both speakers expect the long-delayed deal to finally close, with Microsoft signaling a closing target of October 18, 2023. Oil and gas M&A and capital return (Priority: 4/5): Youth is constructive on energy, especially where companies are returning cash rather than expanding production. He expects more M&A as the sector remains undercapitalized and politically constrained.

Key Arguments: Current antitrust enforcement is unusually aggressive, but courts are pushing back and several agency cases appear weak on the merits. Merger arb works best when a deal offers a reasonable base return plus a free option from a bidding war or strategic alternative. Boards and management teams often prioritize jobs, taxes, and legacy over shareholder value, creating opportunities for activists and arbitrageurs. The Amazon FTC case is largely priced in and likely to become a long, noisy fight rather than a near-term stock catalyst. The FTC’s theory of harm in Amazon is less compelling to him than cases involving the App Store, where consumer harm is more intuitive. The Amazon-iRobot deal appears cleaner than many expect; he sees no major antitrust issue from the FTC lawsuit against Amazon itself. Energy companies are being forced by shareholders and politics toward capital discipline, which should support cash returns and more M&A. Activision-Microsoft should close soon, and the market should stop having to discuss it after October 2023.

Data Points: Expert transcript library: 26,000+ - Stream sponsorship pitch describing the platform’s research library Cost savings vs traditional expert networks: 40% less - Stream claims its model costs less than 20 calls in a traditional expert network Traditional expert calls referenced: 20 calls - Benchmark used in the Stream sponsor message Sculptor market cap referenced: $500 million - Used in a discussion about whether billionaire bidders could finance a competing offer Bill Ackman estimated net worth referenced: $8 billion - Illustrative point about ability to personally backstop financing High-value antitrust spread example: 5% to 10% IRR - Youth’s preferred minimum return range for arb situations with hidden optionality Riskless rate of return referenced: 5% to 6% - Used as the approximate benchmark for evaluating arb spreads Fox deal example spread: $28 to $30 per share stock bid vs about $35 cash bid - Referenced to illustrate optionality in a strategic bidding war Fox eventual value referenced: About $42 per share - Youth’s recollection of the final outcome after Comcast re-entered Liquidation-style biotech examples: $30 million to $50 million market caps with $150 million cash - Used to describe activist takeout candidates trading below cash value Biotech takeout offer example: $120 million - Hypothetical activist bid for a cash-rich, distressed biotech Amazon-iRobot deal price: $51.75 per share cash deal - Referenced while discussing antitrust and arbitration risk iRobot trading spread: About $12.46 to $12.50 - Used to illustrate the arbitrage opportunity in the iRobot deal Amazon case timing: Filed in late September 2023 - FTC antitrust case discussed as a recent catalyst Activision-Microsoft planned close date: October 18, 2023 - Microsoft’s stated target for closing the transaction Coal / energy investing frame: Durably less capex than prior cycle peaks - Qualitative data point about industry discipline

Pivotal Quotes: "if you've got a company that has a just absolute grade A buyer, and there's rumors that another grade A buyer might be involved or there's strategic value, like just kind of put it on." — Chris Youth: Explaining why merger arb situations with possible competing bids can be highly attractive "The idea that the counterfactual is better is preposterous, and the idea that this is a problem is preposterous." — Chris Youth: His view that Amazon’s consumer impact makes the FTC case weak "The short term is made up of the short term makes up the long term net, and you can do things that are long-term value maximizing and short-term for the most part." — Chris Youth: His argument against management’s “short-termist” critique of activist bids

Implications: Investors should focus on antitrust-driven dislocations, but separate true legal risk from political noise. In M&A, the best setups are those with a decent floor and meaningful optionality. Energy and select broken/activist deals remain fertile ground for returns.

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