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Don Ezra: Planning for Life After Full Time Work (EP.155)

One of the major topics we hope to help our listeners with is retirement planning, and today we have a really informative and illuminating conversation with a true expert in the field, Don Ezra. His approach is typified by his focus on retirement and happiness, and their important intersection, subj

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Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti HostDon Ezra Guest

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Executive Summary: In this episode of the Rational Reminder Podcast, Don Ezra, a retired actuary and former head of Russell Investments Global Consulting, shares his expertise on retirement planning and happiness. He discusses the emotional and financial challenges of retirement, including the U-curve of happiness, sequence of returns risk, and the importance of preparing for retirement years in advance. Ezra introduces practical concepts like the personal funded ratio, a five-year safety bucket for spending, and the seven asset classes of life's abundance portfolio. He emphasizes that retirement should be viewed as a graduation to a new life phase, where financial planning is a means to achieve a fulfilling lifestyle.

Main Topics: Emotional Transition to Retirement (Priority: 5/5): Don Ezra describes his initial feeling of being 'discombobulated' after retiring, comparing it to a tree uprooted from its soil. He emphasizes the need to prepare for retirement years in advance to avoid a negative start. U-Curve of Happiness (Priority: 4/5): Ezra explains that happiness follows a U-shaped curve across the lifespan, with the lowest point around ages 45-50 and rising again after 70, often exceeding levels at age 20. This is due to changes in brain chemistry and a shift from seeking perfection to appreciating 'pretty good.' Three Scary Questions for Retirees (Priority: 5/5): Ezra identifies three fundamental questions retirees must answer: 'Who am I?' (identity/purpose), 'How will I fill my time?' (practical), and 'Will I outlive my money?' (financial). These questions address the core uncertainties of retirement. Sequence of Returns Risk (Priority: 5/5): Ezra explains that the order of investment returns matters significantly for retirees. Bad returns early in retirement can deplete assets faster, even if average returns are the same. He advocates for a safety bucket of five years' worth of withdrawals to mitigate this risk. Longevity Risk vs. Investment Risk (Priority: 4/5): Ezra compares longevity uncertainty and investment uncertainty, finding that for a 60-year-old male, longevity risk is less impactful than being 100% in bonds, but by age 75, longevity risk becomes greater than being 100% in equities. He recommends hedging longevity risk with annuities after age 75. Practical Retirement Planning (Priority: 4/5): Ezra discusses the personal funded ratio (assets vs. needs), the importance of flexibility in spending (needs vs. wants), and the use of a five-year safety bucket (25% in safe assets, 75% in equities) to balance growth and security. Life's Abundance Portfolio (Priority: 3/5): Ezra introduces the concept of seven asset classes in life: family/friends, work/play, physical health, mental health, and money. He suggests rating each area and focusing on improving scores where desired, emphasizing that money is just one of seven important aspects.

Key Arguments: Retirement should be viewed as a graduation to a new life phase, not an end, and requires preparation years in advance to avoid emotional disorientation. Happiness follows a U-curve, with the best years often in later life due to a shift in perspective from seeking perfection to appreciating sufficiency. Sequence of returns risk is critical: bad returns early in retirement can devastate a portfolio, even if average returns are adequate. Longevity risk becomes more significant than investment risk after age 75, making annuities a valuable tool for hedging. A personal funded ratio (assets vs. needs) is a simple, intuitive metric for assessing retirement readiness. Flexibility in spending, particularly distinguishing between needs and wants, is essential for adapting to market downturns. Financial advisors should focus on clients' lifestyles and goals, avoiding jargon, and building trust through clear communication. The FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) movement can lead to a lack of purpose if not paired with a meaningful dream or goal. Open conversations with adult children about finances, including wills and personal belongings, can prevent future conflicts and build trust. Success in life is defined by the emotional legacy left behind, not financial achievements.

Data Points: U-curve happiness low point: 45-50 years old - Happiness tends to bottom out in this age range before rising again. Happiness peak age: 70+ years old - Happiness at age 70 is often higher than at age 20. Longevity risk vs. investment risk (male age 60): Longevity risk less than 100% bonds - For a 60-year-old male, longevity uncertainty has a smaller financial impact than being fully invested in bonds. Longevity risk vs. investment risk (male age 75): Longevity risk greater than 100% equities - By age 75, longevity uncertainty has a larger financial impact than being fully invested in equities. Safety bucket size: 5 years of withdrawals - Ezra recommends a safety bucket of five years' worth of withdrawals to cover market downturns. Asset allocation in retirement: 25% safety bucket, 75% equities - Ezra's personal portfolio uses 25% in safe assets and 75% in equities for growth. Retirement spending decline: Inflation minus 1% per year - Retiree spending typically declines by about 1% per year relative to inflation. Long-term care need: One-third of people - Only about one-third of retirees require long-term care beyond 90 days. Joint life expectancy (age 70, younger spouse): 31 years (to age 101) - Ezra uses the 75th percentile joint life expectancy for planning.

Pivotal Quotes: "I felt completely adrift and cut off. I remember describing at the time that I felt that I was like a tree that for 40 years had planted its roots very deep in soil that nurtured growth. And I loved this. And suddenly, here I was uprooted." — Don Ezra: Describing his initial emotional experience after retiring, highlighting the disorientation many retirees feel. "By the time you're 70, it's higher than it was even when you were 20. In fact, when I investigated this and studied it, I ended up writing a book that I called Happiness: The Best Is Yet to Come, because the peak of the curve is at the end." — Don Ezra: Explaining the U-curve of happiness and the potential for greater happiness in later life. "I think of stocks as being things that will help us to eat well in the long term. Because that's where the growth comes. And bonds are the things that, in the short term, help us to sleep well because they go down less." — Don Ezra: Simplifying asset allocation for retirees by focusing on the goals of eating well (growth) and sleeping well (stability).

Implications: Listeners should start preparing for retirement years in advance, focusing on both financial and emotional aspects. The U-curve of happiness suggests that later life can be the most fulfilling. Practical tools like the personal funded ratio and a safety bucket can reduce anxiety. Advisors should prioritize client lifestyle goals over jargon. The FIRE movement requires a meaningful post-retirement dream to avoid a loss of purpose.

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A weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making, from three Canadians. Hosted by Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti, Portfolio Managers at PWL Capital.

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