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E212: Unlocking $175M: Raising Venture & Private Equity Capital with SBICs

How do you use the SBIC program to access long-dated, low-cost leverage—without blowing up risk? In this episode, I speak with Eric Rosiak, CEO & CIO of Amplify Community Investment Partners, about the mechanics of SBICs, the new accrual debenture license for venture and growth, what top LPs loo

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Executive Summary: This podcast features an expert discussion on SBIC funds, covering their structure, benefits, and growth. The guest explains the SBA program, which provides low-cost leverage to funds investing in US small businesses. Key topics include the licensing process, investor types, returns, and strategies for selecting top-performing managers. The conversation also highlights legislative changes and personal investment insights.

Main Topics: SBIC Program Overview and Benefits (Priority: 5/5): Explanation of the SBIC program, including access to up to $175M in low-cost leverage (10-year treasury + 100 bps, interest-only) for investing in US small businesses. The SBA is framed as a special limited partner with capped upside. Licensing and Eligibility Requirements (Priority: 5/5): The three-pronged test for SBIC eligibility: NAICS codes, employee count (typically under 500), and financials (net worth <$19.5M, average after-tax income <$6.5M). The licensing process is rigorous, requiring extensive background checks, references, and a minimum of $30M in private capital commits. Investor Types and LP Perspectives (Priority: 4/5): Diverse LPs include banks (largest historically), insurance companies, foundations, fund of funds, and endowments like University of Michigan and Davidson College. Endowments often have specific mandates and conduct their own due diligence without relying on consultants. Performance and Returns (Priority: 5/5): SBIC funds historically beat private credit and private equity benchmarks. Median net IRR is 16.9% with 2.3x net multiple of invested capital. Top-performing managers aim for 2.5x+ net multiple. Leverage enhances returns without proportional risk due to SBA's special LP role. Program Evolution and Legislative Changes (Priority: 4/5): Recent changes include raising the family of funds limit to $350M (talk of further increase), max leverage to $175M, and introduction of the Accrual Debenture for venture/growth equity. The Investing in All of America Act proposes increasing leverage to $250M and adding bonus leverage for rural/low-income/security-related investments. Manager Selection Criteria (Priority: 4/5): Key factors: alignment, integrity, and wisdom. Preference for experienced teams (at least 8 investments, 4+ exits). First-time SBIC fund managers are higher risk; preference for fund two or later. Personal investments by the guest in 10 SBIC funds underscore confidence. Common Mistakes and Lessons Learned (Priority: 3/5): Mistakes include backing managers focused on scaling to larger funds rather than executing strategy, and underestimating SBA licensing timelines affecting leverage amounts. Successful managers have strong leadership, process orientation, and timely portfolio company exits.

Key Arguments: SBIC funds offer a unique, government-backed structure that provides low-cost, long-term leverage to private funds investing in US small businesses, resulting in superior risk-adjusted returns. The SBA's rigorous licensing process and oversight act as a quality filter, reducing manager risk for LPs. Larger fund sizes ($250M+) attract more institutional capital and enable scaling, while still targeting lower middle-market companies. Top-performing SBIC managers combine institutional resources with focused lower middle-market strategies, generating returns that beat broader private equity/credit benchmarks. Personal investment by the guest in SBIC funds demonstrates conviction and access to top managers due to industry vantage point.

Data Points: Maximum leverage per SBIC: $175 million - Standard debenture, currently $175M; proposed increase to $250M under Investing in All of America Act. Leverage cost: 10-year Treasury + 100 bps or less, interest-only for 10 years - Exceptionally favorable terms compared to market leverage. SBIC eligible company financials: Net worth <$19.5M, average after-tax income <$6.5M over 2 years - Proxy for EBITDA under $15M; target companies typically valued $75M-$150M. Median net IRR for SBIC funds: 16.9% - From prior podcast; top performers aim for 2.5x+ net multiple of invested capital. Minimum private capital for first close: $30 million - Current SBA standard, up from $20M historically, to reduce risk of defaults. Family of funds limit: $350 million outstanding; proposed increase to $475 million - Raised to retain high-performing GPs and allow larger fund sizes. Number of SBIC fund investments by guest (Eric): 10 - Personal LP commitments reflecting strong conviction in the asset class. Historical bank commitments on SBICs worked on: Over 300 - Highlighting the dominant role of banks as LPs in SBIC funds historically.

Pivotal Quotes: "I really look at the SBA differently. I think of them as like a special limited partner. With a capped upside." — Eric (guest): Explaining how SBA leverage enhances returns without proportional risk due to its unique LP-like role. "I look at their backgrounds, check the internet, things like broker check, what is their reputation? You know, do your diligence, right? You're going to be committed for a long time." — Eric (guest): Emphasizing the importance of integrity and thorough vetting in manager selection for long-term commitments. "Median net IRR is 16.9% net IRR and 2.3 times net multiple of invested capital. To get compensated for that sort of long-term commitment with our capital, we want to see a track record that not only beats that, but the expectation that they're going to generate two and a half times net multiple invested capital or greater." — Eric (guest): Setting performance benchmarks for top-quartile SBIC investments, driven by personal investment approach.

Implications: For investors, SBIC funds offer a structurally advantaged way to access lower middle-market returns with government oversight. Expect continued growth as legislative changes increase fund sizes and attract more institutional capital. LPs should prioritize experienced, aligned managers with strong track records and realistic licensing timelines.

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How I Invest with David Weisburd is a podcast that interviews the world's leading institutional investors. Previous guests include The Ford Foundation, Northwestern University Endowment, CalPERS, Stepstone, and other top limited partners.

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