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Ep. 559 - Don’t Eat The Homophobic Chicken

The Leftists target Chick-Fil-A again, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan sets some immigration votes, and the Republican primaries are coming up Trump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Executive Summary: Ben Shapiro argues Trump’s Singapore summit with Kim Jong-un was a risky diplomatic gamble: potentially historic, but premature triumphalism and legitimacy could backfire without verified denuclearization. He then criticizes left-wing activism on Chick-fil-A and gender norms, defends stricter immigration enforcement, supports the AT&T-Time Warner merger, and notes political polarization is pushing both parties toward reactionary candidates and policies.

Main Topics: Trump-Kim summit and North Korea diplomacy: Shapiro says the summit may be a breakthrough, but Trump’s claims that North Korea is no longer a threat are premature without concrete disarmament steps, timetables, and verification. Media, messaging, and presidential triumphalism: He argues Trump is right to attack media hypocrisy, but warns that overclaiming victory and using North Korean propaganda language like 'war games' weakens U.S. negotiating leverage. Left-wing activism against Chick-fil-A: Shapiro criticizes renewed calls to boycott Chick-fil-A over its owners’ religious views, arguing that punishing companies for beliefs rather than actions harms civil discourse and free expression. Masculinity, gender norms, and parenting: He responds to an Atlantic essay about a boy wearing dresses by arguing parents should teach distinctions between boys and girls, maintain standards, and avoid confusing children about sex and gender. Immigration enforcement and MS-13: Shapiro defends stricter asylum and border enforcement, citing MS-13 recruitment in a Maryland school as evidence that illegal immigration and weak vetting can create real public-safety risks. Seattle head tax reversal and left-wing economic policy: He points to Seattle repealing its Amazon head tax as proof that even progressive cities recoil from extreme anti-business policies when confronted with political and economic backlash. Political realignment and Republican primaries: He notes that reactionary, pro-Trump branding is increasingly rewarded in GOP primaries, even when it elevates weaker candidates like Corey Stewart and Katie Arrington.

Key Arguments: Trump’s North Korea deal is high-risk, high-reward, but legitimacy given to Kim Jong-un should be treated as an 'advance against royalties' that must be earned back through real denuclearization. The U.S. should not declare North Korea harmless before any weapons are dismantled; verification must come before trust, and in Kim’s case even stricter skepticism is warranted. Trump is justified in criticizing media inconsistency on North Korea, but calling the media the nation’s biggest enemy while downplaying North Korea is rhetorically self-contradictory. Boycotting Chick-fil-A because of its owner’s religious views, rather than company conduct, encourages ideological sorting and weakens the free-speech culture of commerce. Parents should not treat children’s self-expression as automatically authoritative; boys and girls are biologically different, and gender distinctions should be taught, not erased. MS-13’s presence in a Maryland middle school illustrates why the U.S. cannot ignore illegal immigration and asylum abuse; not all suffering abroad creates a right to U.S. entry. Seattle’s repeal of the head tax shows that even deep-blue cities eventually reject policies that threaten jobs and economic growth. The Republican Party is increasingly rewarding candidates who mirror Trump’s style more than those who best defend limited-government principles. The AT&T-Time Warner merger is consistent with free-market competition and is not a true monopoly threat. Using Dennis Rodman in diplomacy may be tactically harmless but is undignified and symbolizes the absurdity of the current political moment.

Data Points: Trump-Kim summit popularity: Nearly half of voters confident Trump can handle North Korea; summit broadly popular - Poll cited during discussion of public reaction to the Singapore meeting Head tax amount: $275 per employee - Seattle’s proposed tax on large employers like Amazon and Microsoft Seattle council vote: 7-2 - Vote to repeal the controversial head tax Amazon market value: $817 billion - Used to argue AT&T-Time Warner would not be a monopoly AT&T-Time Warner market value: $282 billion - Comparison in merger discussion Verizon market value: $203 billion - Used to show competitive landscape in media/telecom Netflix market value: $157 billion - Used to show competition in entertainment distribution Disney market value: $155 billion - Used to show competition in entertainment distribution Skillshare offer: 2 months for 99 cents - Sponsor promotion Daily Wire subscription: $9.99 per month - Sponsor promotion MS-13 recruitment context: Middle school/high school students - Washington Post report on gang activity in Maryland Immigration/asylum decision length: 31-page decision - Jeff Sessions narrowing asylum grounds Child gender-dysphoria statistic: 80% - Claim that most children with extreme cross-gender identification grow out of it by teenage years

Pivotal Quotes: "There’s no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea." — Donald Trump: Trump tweet after the Singapore summit, which Shapiro says is premature and unverified "This is either going to be a Trumpian triumph or it’s going to be a Kim coup." — Ben Shapiro: Summary of the summit’s stakes if Kim does or does not follow through "Trust but verify. And in the case of Kim Jong-un, I wouldn’t even trust but verify. Nothing has been put on paper yet." — Ben Shapiro: Shapiro’s warning that North Korean promises need hard verification

Implications: The episode frames Trump’s North Korea diplomacy as a potential breakthrough only if backed by enforceable concessions. It also signals a broader culture-war and policy split: the left is pushing ideological conformity on commerce and gender, while the right risks substituting Trump loyalty for principled conservatism.

From the Episode

And you know what? Why don't we just jump right into that? So, President Trump this morning, he tweets out: quote, just landed, a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There's no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong-un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future. And listen, I think that if North Korea decides to integrate into the family of nations and liberalize and get rid of the nuclear weapons, there is a great potential for the future. For President Trump to say preemptively there's no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea is obviously untrue. Not a single North Korean weapon that has been disarmed at this point. They have not destroyed any of their nuclear capacity. And this sort of preliminary triumphalism, I objected to it yesterday because I think that it boxes President Trump in. I think if President Trump wants to actually get something good out of North Korea, it is trust but verify, but you actually have to verify. And you can't trust that he's disarming when he hasn't disarmed. He hasn't even set a timetable for disarming. The North Korean headlines, the one they're putting out in North Korea, suggest that Kim is telling his own people that the United States and North Korea have agreed to.

Donald Trump · at 2:12

Mr. President, by all means, extend the warm hand to North Korea if you think that that's going to succeed. But on the other hand, it's a velvet glove, and inside there must be an iron fist. And if the iron fist is gone already, then we've just handed Kim Jong-un a victory. This is either going to be a Trumpian triumph or it's going to be a Kim Ku. And President Trump gets to decide how that goes. Remember, this is not a negotiation between equals. The United States is the most powerful country in the history of the world by a factor of 10. There is no reason that the United States should have to stoop down to Kim Jong-un's level in order to. Get him to do anything. And the fact is that President Trump is already granting some sort of concessions to the Chinese. So, listen, maybe I'm totally wrong here. Maybe the president has in his back pocket a big win from Kim. If so, then I look forward to seeing that big win. So far, all I've seen is an advance on royalties from the president to Kim Jong-un. I don't see that as a victory for the United States unless there is a back end to this deal. If it turns out the president advanced a bunch of trust to Kim and Kim actually wants to do something, everything will be fine. If not, then the president made a big mistake and got bamboozled by Kim.

Ben Shapiro · at 13:42

Prove that they are not our enemy, and they have not come close to proving that as of yet. So, Mr. President, take a page from the Reagan playbook: trust but verify. Trust but verify. And in the case of Kim Jong-un, I wouldn't even trust but verify. Nothing has been put on paper yet. In the case of Kim Jong-un, I would distrust and verify. The verification protocols should be even stronger for Kim Jong-un than they normally would be. I have a little bit more on this. First, I want to say thanks to our sponsors over at Skillshare. So, Skillshare is an online learning platform with over 20,000 classes in business, design, technology, and more. You can take classes in social media, marketing, illustration. Data science, mobile photography, creative writing, you name it, they've got it. Skillshare is great because if you listen to this show, I know you love information. I know that you love learning. I know it's something that you are just really enthusiastic about. That's why we recommend books on the program every day. Well, when you need to learn a skill, you shouldn't be going to YouTube and watching some doofus do something for five minutes, and now you're an expert on marketing. That's not the way that it works. You should be talking with an expert, you should be learning from an expert, and that's where Skillshare comes in. These are 45-minute classes with experts in their various fields. I've taken classes in social.

Ben Shapiro · at 11:12
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