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Ep. 908 - Who Can We Blame?

Are Republican areas the reason for declining life expectancy? Are Democratic areas the reason for rising income inequality? And are you your own soul-mate? Date: 12-03-2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.co

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Executive Summary: The episode argues that America’s worsening outcomes in life expectancy, income inequality, and family stability are driven less by red-vs-blue state governance than by broad economic and cultural shifts: a knowledge economy concentrating wealth in large metros and a secularizing culture weakening marriage and community institutions. Shapiro critiques Paul Krugman’s red-state mortality thesis, draws on Charles Murray and Ross Douthat to argue that social breakdown matters more than policy slogans, and closes with a sharp rebuke of Tucker Carlson’s pro-Russia rhetoric.

Main Topics: Impeachment update and political stalemate (Priority: 3/5): Shapiro says the impeachment process is proceeding mechanically, but no new facts are emerging. He notes Republicans released a report dismissing the charges, Democrats have their own report, and the outcome is already predictable. Income inequality and the rise of superstar cities (Priority: 5/5): The segment examines a New York Times report showing that inequality is highest in large metro areas, which Shapiro attributes mainly to the shift from manufacturing to a knowledge-based economy rather than local Democratic governance. Critique of Paul Krugman on red-state mortality (Priority: 5/5): Shapiro argues Krugman wrongly attributes declining life expectancy, opioid deaths, suicides, and obesity in red states to Republican governance, when the trends are better explained by long-term economic and cultural changes that predate current voting patterns. Charles Murray’s cultural inequality framework (Priority: 5/5): Using Coming Apart, Shapiro highlights marriage, single parenthood, work, crime, and religiosity gaps between educated upper-class ‘Belmont’ and working-class ‘Fishtown’ Americans to show that cultural institutions have unraveled unevenly. Ross Douthat and changing liberal views of marriage (Priority: 4/5): Shapiro cites Douthat’s three phases of progressivism on marriage, arguing modern liberalism has moved from reforming marriage to treating it as optional or even suspect, which undermines family formation. Self-coupling and the liberalization of intimacy (Priority: 4/5): He criticizes a New York Times piece on being one’s own soulmate as emblematic of a culture that detaches identity from marriage and family, reinforcing broader social fragmentation. Ukraine, Russia, and Tucker Carlson criticism (Priority: 4/5): Shapiro ends by rejecting Tucker Carlson’s suggestion that the U.S. should side with Russia over Ukraine, calling Russia tyrannical and strategically hostile while acknowledging Ukrainian corruption does not justify pro-Russia alignment.

Key Arguments: Broad national economic trends, not mainly local party governance, explain much of the divergence between red and blue regions. The shift from manufacturing to a knowledge economy concentrates gains in large metro areas, producing higher inequality in big cities regardless of Democratic control. Life expectancy declines in red states are better understood as downstream effects of deindustrialization, opioid addiction, secularization, and social disintegration than as Republican policy failures. Charles Murray’s data show that marriage, work participation, childbearing within marriage, crime, and religious participation diverged sharply between educated and working-class whites over decades. Social liberalism does not affect all communities equally; affluent people can absorb its effects better than lower-income communities that relied more heavily on religious and family institutions. Redistribution or simply raising wages cannot by itself restore family formation or civic order; personal responsibility and cultural norms matter. The left’s redefinition of marriage as one option among many weakens the normative institutions that once stabilized working-class life. Tucker Carlson’s pro-Russia posture is mistaken because Russia remains an aggressive authoritarian state, and opposition to Ukrainian corruption does not imply support for Moscow.

Data Points: Republican impeachment report length: About 120 pages - Shapiro references the GOP report dismissing impeachment charges. Metro areas in NYT inequality analysis: 195 metro areas - The New York Times chart compares wage inequality across metropolitan regions. 1980 wage ratio in Binghamton: About 4.5 to 1 - Highly paid workers earned roughly four and a half times low-wage workers in Binghamton in 1980. Income inequality leadership cities: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, Houston, Washington - These large metros are described as the most unequal and economically dynamic. Belmont marriage rate in 1960: 94% - Charles Murray’s upper-middle-class benchmark community. Fishtown marriage rate in 1960: 84% - Charles Murray’s working-class benchmark community. Belmont marriage rate in 2010: 83% - Marriage stabilized in the upper-middle-class group. Fishtown marriage rate in 2010: 48% - Marriage continued to slide sharply in the working-class group. Non-marital births among white high-school-educated women in 2008: 44% - Charles Murray’s data for Fishtown-like women. Non-marital births among college-educated women in 2008: Less than 6% - Charles Murray’s data for Belmont-like women. Secular Belmont share in early GSS surveys: 29% - De facto secular among upper-income whites in 1972–1976. Secular Fishtown share in early GSS surveys: 38% - De facto secular among working-class whites in 1972–1976. Secular Belmont share in 2006–2010: 40% - Growth in secularization among upper-income whites. Secular Fishtown share in 2006–2010: Almost 60% - Much larger growth in secularization among working-class whites. Prime-age nonworking men with no more than high school education: 3% in 1968 to 12% in 2008 - Charles Murray’s measure of labor-force withdrawal in Fishtown. Fishtown men working fewer than 40 hours weekly: 10% in 1960 to 20% in 2008 - Shows reduced work intensity among working-class men. Belmont men working fewer than 40 hours weekly: 9% in 1960 to 12% in 2008 - Smaller change among upper-income men. Life expectancy divergence reference: Red state life expectancy fell relative to blue state life expectancy - Shapiro discusses Krugman’s claim without endorsing his causal explanation.

Pivotal Quotes: "The problem is that that may work for a very, I would say, very, very limited coterie of people who read the New York Times. It does not work broadly across the United States." — Ben Shapiro: Criticizing the idea that liberal relationship norms can be generalized to all Americans. "What we are actually seeing right now is two trends in the United States. One is economically leading to greater income inequality... And at the same time, we are a quickly secularizing country." — Ben Shapiro: Summarizing his core thesis about the dual economic and cultural drivers of division. "I think that this new phase tracked with the recent decline in childbearing." — Ross Douthat: Quoted by Shapiro to describe modern progressive attitudes toward marriage and family.

Implications: Listeners are urged to see regional decline less as a simple party-policy story and more as a long cultural and economic transformation. The episode frames marriage, religion, work, and family as central to social stability and warns that elite norms often fail outside affluent circles.

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