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Ep. 956 - Pardon Me

Trump’s conflict with Attorney General William Barr appears to escalate, Bernie continues to skate on his radicalism, and Buttigieg takes off the moderate mask. Check out The Cold War: What We Saw, a new podcast written and presented by Bill Whittle at https://www.dailywire.com/coldwar. In Part 1 we

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on Trump’s escalating clash with Attorney General Barr, Trump’s controversial clemency spree, and the speaker’s warning that Trump’s impulsiveness harms both governance and his reelection prospects. The second half argues Bernie Sanders is the real Democratic frontrunner and a dangerous socialist/communist whose policies and rhetoric are unserious and economically destructive, while also criticizing media deference and debating Bloomberg’s role as a self-funded moderate alternative.

Main Topics: Trump vs. Barr and Justice Department independence (Priority: 5/5): The transcript argues Trump’s tweets and comments about DOJ cases are making Barr’s job harder and risking a confrontation, with the speaker saying Trump should stop publicly interfering in active legal matters. Trump’s clemency and pardon spree (Priority: 5/5): The president’s pardons and commutations, including Rod Blagojevich, Bernie Kerik, Michael Milken, and others, are presented as a mix of criminal justice reform, favoritism, and misuse of clemency power. Bernie Sanders as Democratic frontrunner (Priority: 5/5): The speaker frames Sanders as the clear front-runner, calling him a radical socialist/communist whose rise reflects Democratic frustration with Trump more than confidence in Sanders’ agenda. Sanders’ policy critiques: socialism, rent control, and foreign policy (Priority: 5/5): Sanders is attacked for endorsing national rent control, anti-market economics, massive entitlement promises, and a foreign policy viewed as hostile to Israel and U.S. strength. Bloomberg versus Sanders in the Democratic race (Priority: 4/5): Bloomberg is portrayed as a flawed but less dangerous alternative to Sanders; the transcript discusses accusations that Bloomberg is trying to buy the nomination and Trump’s preference for running against him. Media criticism and lack of scrutiny (Priority: 4/5): The speaker repeatedly criticizes journalists and moderators for not pressing Sanders on Medicare for All costs, medical records, and his ideological history. Conservative economics debate and Oren Cass (Priority: 3/5): The transcript critiques a new ‘common good conservative’ argument that seeks a larger government role in shaping markets, labor, and social outcomes, warning it risks drifting toward leftist assumptions.

Key Arguments: Trump’s public commentary on DOJ cases is self-defeating because it weakens Barr and creates unnecessary legal/political conflict. The president has broad constitutional clemency power, but using it for politically connected figures like Blagojevich invites accusations of corruption and bad judgment. Sanders is not a typical social democrat; the speaker labels him a communist/socialist who wants to nationalize or heavily control major parts of the economy. Sanders’ policy promises—free college, free healthcare, rent control, and wealth redistribution—are presented as unsustainable attempts to buy votes with other people’s money. Bloomberg’s self-funding is criticized as vanity-driven, but it is portrayed as less dangerous than Sanders’ ideological program. The media have allowed Sanders to avoid hard questions about healthcare costs, medical records, past positions on Venezuela/Nicaragua, and his relationship to anti-Israel activists. Economic inequality is not inherently immoral; envy should not become a political program, and market-driven wealth creation benefits consumers and workers. A more government-centric “common good” conservatism risks importing left-wing assumptions about labor, capital, and state intervention.

Data Points: Pardons/commutations issued: 11 people - The president issued clemency to multiple individuals in one day, including pardons and sentence commutations. People pardoned: 7 people pardoned - Trump pardoned seven people, including Michael Milken and Bernie Kerik. Rod Blagojevich sentence: 14 years - Blagojevich had been sentenced in 2011 for corruption tied to the Obama Senate seat. Eddie DeBartolo Jr. fine/plot amount: $400,000 - He was prosecuted after agreeing to pay a former Louisiana governor in a gambling-license corruption case. Bernie Sanders national polling lead: 11 points - The speaker cites a RealClearPolitics average showing Sanders ahead of the rest of the Democratic field. Sanders support in South Carolina: Tied with Joe Biden - A poll described Sanders and Biden as tied in South Carolina, which the speaker says would be disastrous for Biden. Sanders support in California poll 1: 32% - One late-breaking California poll showed Sanders at 32%, with Biden at 14%. Sanders support in California poll 2: 25% - Another California poll showed Sanders at 25%, with Bloomberg at 21%. Democrats who think Sanders can beat Trump: Over 70% - The speaker says more than 70% of Democrats believe Sanders can defeat Trump. Bloomberg wealth: $60 billion - Bernie’s critique of Bloomberg centers on Bloomberg’s self-financed campaign and wealth. Bloomberg wealth vs. Americans: More wealth than the bottom 125 million Americans - Sanders uses this to argue Bloomberg is trying to buy the presidency. Sanders campaign ad spend: $50 million a month - The speaker contrasts Sanders’ criticism of Bloomberg with Sanders’ own campaign spending and promise-driven appeal. Sanders heart attack records: 2 cardiologist letters plus one physicians’ letter - Sanders says he has released detailed letters but does not plan to release more medical records. Military spending figures cited: China $181B; Saudi Arabia $78B; France $61B; Japan $48B; Great Britain $54B; Germany $48B; South Korea $39B; Brazil $27B; Italy $27B; Russia $61B - Sanders tweets a comparison suggesting the U.S. military is larger than many countries combined.

Pivotal Quotes: "I do make his job harder. I do agree with that." — Donald Trump: Trump acknowledges his tweets make Attorney General Barr’s job more difficult. "It offends me very much." — Bernie Sanders: Sanders objects to Michael Bloomberg’s wealthy self-funded campaign as a form of buying the presidency. "I think that the American people deserve to know exactly as much as every other candidate has released in this race currently and historically." — Bernie Sanders campaign secretary: Used to defend Sanders’ refusal to release additional medical records and the speaker compares the scrutiny to birtherism.

Implications: The transcript warns Trump’s self-inflicted conflicts could damage governance and electoral strength, while Sanders’ rise signals a major leftward shift that could reshape U.S. economic and foreign policy if Democrats nominate him.

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