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Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth on splitting up Facebook, privacy and more

Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth sit down with The Verge’s Casey Newton at Code Conference to discuss antitrust and the prospect of breaking up Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. They also discuss Facebook Portal, and how the company is adopting new approaches to privacy, content

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: At Code Conference, Instagram’s Adam Mosseri and Facebook’s Andrew Bosworth defended Facebook’s privacy-first strategy, arguing that messaging, stories, encrypted communication, and products like Portal and Quest fit the company’s future. They acknowledged safety, moderation, and trust problems, but said scale lets Facebook invest in solutions better than a breakup would. Mosseri also discussed hiding likes, commerce, and Instagram’s evolving role.

Main Topics: Facebook’s privacy-focused future (Priority: 5/5): Mosseri and Bosworth framed Instagram, messaging, Portal, and VR as parts of a broader shift from public sharing toward private, encrypted, and intimate communication. Portal, Quest, and hardware strategy (Priority: 4/5): Bosworth explained that Portal emphasizes private communication in the home, while Quest represents Facebook’s push into self-contained VR as a new computing platform. Encryption, safety, and unintended consequences (Priority: 5/5): Both executives discussed the trade-off between privacy and safety, arguing that encrypted products require new integrity systems and ongoing debate rather than simple answers. Why Facebook should not be broken up (Priority: 5/5): They argued that fragmentation would weaken safety, integrity, and resource-sharing across Instagram and Facebook, making abuse prevention harder rather than easier. Instagram’s shift toward stories and messaging (Priority: 4/5): Mosseri said Instagram growth is increasingly driven by stories and direct messages, which support more private, ephemeral, and conversation-driven interactions than feed. Moderation labor and platform accountability (Priority: 4/5): The interview addressed content moderation workers, their conditions, and Facebook’s efforts to raise pay and improve accuracy-focused evaluation, while admitting there is still room to improve. Hiding likes, commerce, and user experience design (Priority: 3/5): Mosseri described experiments to hide likes to reduce pressure, and laid out Instagram’s commerce ambitions without cluttering the product or harming authenticity.

Key Arguments: Facebook’s future is centered on a spectrum from public feed to private messaging, with stories and direct messages becoming increasingly important. Portal aligns with Facebook’s core mission because it is built for private, encrypted human connection in the home. Quest is an early but important step in VR, with Facebook already seeing meaningful content sales that suggest a viable ecosystem. Encryption increases privacy but complicates safety enforcement, so Facebook must redesign integrity systems for a less-visible environment. Breaking up Facebook would not solve abuse, misinformation, or election-integrity problems; it would reduce shared resources and make defenses harder. Facebook’s scale helps it fund large safety and moderation teams, and those investments outweigh the claim that a breakup would improve oversight. Charging a subscription would be regressive and reduce access globally; the ad model lets Facebook provide services for free across income levels. Manual content review is important, but the best moderation combines human judgment with technology at scale. Hiding likes is meant to reduce social pressure and competition, potentially improving the emotional tone of Instagram. Instagram sees commerce as promising, but it must improve ranking, creator analytics, and advertiser measurement before scaling it further.

Data Points: Quest content sales in first two weeks: $5 million - Bosworth cited this as evidence that Quest is building a viable VR ecosystem. Minimum wage for U.S. content reviewers: $20/hour - Mosseri said Facebook raised the minimum wage for these roles. Earlier U.S. minimum wage for content reviewers: $15/hour - Mosseri noted this had been the prior rate for a few years. Portal product timeframe: a couple of months on sale - Bosworth discussed early Portal sales and trust concerns since launch. Instagram live likes experiment: early data really positive - Mosseri said the test to hide likes was underway and initial results were encouraging. Audience age example: kids under 13 - A question from the audience focused on underage users and age-gated ads. Instagram account age gating: 13+ - Mosseri referenced the platform’s minimum age requirement. LinkedIn Ads promo claim: over 1 billion professionals and 130 million decision makers - Sponsor copy in the episode, not part of the interview content.

Pivotal Quotes: "I think it's a terrible idea." — Adam Mosseri: His direct answer to why Facebook should not be broken up. "We want Instagram to be a pressurized environment." — Adam Mosseri: Explaining the motivation for hiding likes and reducing social competition. "The more data you have access to, the more you can keep people safe." — Andrew Bosworth: Describing the central privacy-versus-safety trade-off in encrypted systems.

Implications: Facebook is betting that private communication, hardware, and scale can solve the trust crisis without a breakup. For users, expect more privacy-centered design; for regulators, the core debate remains whether big platforms can police themselves effectively.

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