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It’s Not K-Shaped. It’s No Shaped | Jim Paulsen on What You're Getting Wrong About 2026

Subscribe to the Jim Paulsen Show on Apple Podcasts ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jim-paulsen-show/id1828054999⁠⁠ Subscribe on Spotify ⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/3QaBDVGuBZ3cZfFZ4mqPFc⁠⁠ In this episode of the Jim Paulsen Show, Jim Paulsen joins Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau

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Executive Summary: Jim Paulsen argues the economy is weaker than headline GDP suggests because trade distorted growth, while jobs, retail sales, manufacturing, and sentiment are soft. He expects further Fed easing, a weaker dollar, and a market rotation away from concentrated “new era” tech toward broader stocks, international markets, cyclicals, and bonds, with gold and commodities likely to lag.

Main Topics: Economic growth is weaker than headline GDP (Priority: 5/5): Paulsen says GDP overstates the economy’s strength because trade swings inflated recent quarters. He sees underlying growth closer to 2% and warns that labor-market weakness and lagged policy effects point to a softer first half of the year. Jobs and consumer weakness as the key recession signal (Priority: 5/5): He emphasizes payroll growth, rising unemployment, long jobless durations, flat real retail sales, and falling savings as the best evidence the economy is stalling even if an official recession has not yet started. Fed easing and policy lags should support markets later (Priority: 5/5): Paulsen expects the Fed to cut more than consensus, with policy ultimately shifting from fighting inflation to supporting jobs. He believes monetary easing, a softer dollar, and possibly easier fiscal conditions will help later in the year. A ‘no-shaped’ economy: new era vs. old era (Priority: 5/5): He replaces the usual K-shaped narrative with a split between dynamic ‘new era’ sectors and stagnant ‘old era’ areas. He argues concentration in tech has masked weakness elsewhere, but easing could revive neglected parts of the economy and market. Tech remains strong but may underperform (Priority: 4/5): Paulsen is not bearish enough to call for a collapse in tech, but he sees warning signs: slowing relative performance, weaker corporate cash trends, falling R&D intensity, and a possible shift of investor attention toward other sectors. Portfolio positioning: broader, more balanced exposure (Priority: 4/5): For a blank-slate portfolio, he favors equities over commodities, higher bond exposure than recent years, underweight gold, and a tilt toward international markets, small caps, cyclicals, and selected financials/industrials.

Key Arguments: Headline GDP is misleading because trade-related import swings distorted quarterly readings; underlying growth is closer to 2% than 4%+. The labor market is the most important signal: payroll growth has slowed sharply, unemployment has risen, and unemployment duration is much longer than historical norms. Real retail sales, manufacturing PMI, industrial production, and service-sector readings all point to a sluggish economy rather than a strong expansion. Policy lags from past Fed tightening, a still-elevated real dollar, and tight money growth should weigh on growth before easing begins to help. Markets can still do well even with high valuations if optimism is low; high valuations plus pessimism are less dangerous than high valuations plus exuberance. The bull market has been unusually concentrated in new-era tech; easing could broaden leadership to old-era sectors, small caps, and internationals. Tech may not crash, but it could simply lag while its relative advantages narrow as corporate cash, R&D, and investor enthusiasm fade. Bond yields may fall further, making fixed income more attractive; gold and broad commodities look overextended and sentiment-driven rather than fundamentally supported. A weaker dollar should help international and emerging markets, especially as supply chains diversify away from China.

Data Points: Third-quarter real GDP: 4.3% - Headline growth rate cited as inflated by trade distortion Third-quarter real GDP excluding trade distortion: 2.4% - Paulsen’s estimate of underlying growth if trade were neutral Year-to-date real GDP: 2.5% - Headline GDP through the year to date Year-to-date real GDP excluding trade: 1.8% - Underlying growth estimate after removing trade effects Last four quarters real GDP: 2.3% - Four-quarter headline growth Last four quarters real GDP excluding trade: 1.8% - Underlying growth estimate after trade adjustment Real PCE year-to-date: 2.2% - Consumer spending growth in real terms Real private investment year-to-date: 2.0% - Business/private investment growth Real private spending year-to-date: 2.15% - Combined consumer and corporate real spending annualized Nonfarm payroll growth year over year: 0.58% - Very weak job creation reading Nonfarm payroll growth year-to-date through November: 0.4% per year - Paulsen characterizes this as recessionary job creation Unemployment rate (April 2023 to November 2025): 3.4% to 4.6% - Sharp rise in unemployment during alleged expansion Unemployment duration: 23 weeks - Current average joblessness duration Historical unemployment duration (1948-2009): 13.5 weeks - Long-run comparison before the GFC Real retail sales year-to-date: slightly down - Inflation-adjusted retail spending has fallen through November Manufacturing PMI: 47-something - Below 50 indicates contraction Manufacturing PMI during bull market: below 50 in all months except two - Suggests persistent industrial weakness Industrial production year-to-date: 1.6% - Slow growth in factory output Service PMI average during bull market: 52.3 - Below the typical recovery average of almost 56 Current service PMI: 52.6 - Still below historical recovery norms Homebuyer affordability index: near lowest ever - Housing affordability extremely strained Savings rate: 6.4% to 4.0% - Decline from January 2024 to September 2025 Real money growth (inflation-adjusted M2): 1.5% - Too weak to support runaway growth Unemployment rate increase: 1.2 percentage points - Used to show how unusual labor weakness is during an expansion Market gains in last three years: 16% each year - Paulsen notes strong but not extraordinary annual gains SP 500 technology underperformance period: 18 months unchanged vs. market - Tech has not materially outperformed recently Corporate cash and cash equivalents: $7-8 trillion - Very high cash levels still sitting in money markets/corporates Fiscal deficit change: 7% to 5% of GDP - Approximate reduction in fiscal juice over the prior year Ten-year Treasury forecast: closer to 3% by year-end - Paulsen’s bond-yield outlook SP 500 valuation: 25.5x earnings trailing; ~22x forward - He sees equities as richly valued Dollar: about 6% below all-time high in real terms - He expects further weakness Gold market: massive emotional blowoff - He views gold’s rise as fear-driven Commodity index: near breakout from 3-4 year range - Goldman Sachs U.S. Commodity Price Index noted as technically important

Pivotal Quotes: "I think the economy is weaker than maybe most think right now, including the Fed, but just on Wall Street as well." — Jim Paulsen: His core macro view on the economy "I think it's a no-shaped economy, the difference between new era and old era." — Jim Paulsen: His framework for understanding market and economic divergence "High valuations without emotional optimism is not nearly as risky as high valuations with great emotional optimism." — Jim Paulsen: His argument on why elevated valuations are less dangerous in a pessimistic environment

Implications: Listeners should expect a potentially broadening market, with softer growth helping policy ease and lifting old-economy stocks, internationals, and bonds. Tech may still lead less decisively, while gold/commodities could cool if confidence improves.

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