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Jeremy Raper Pt. 3: Japan, Tariffs, Commodities, And More

Jeremy Raper is back for his third appearance on the podcast. We chat Japan, Tariffs, Trump, activist investing, Jeremy's research process, commodities, and more. As always, Jeremy leaves a ton of knowledge bombs to absorb over the hour. Big thanks to the sponsors as well! Mitimco This episode

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Executive Summary: The conversation centers on a major structural shift in Japan’s equity market: governance reforms, disclosure pressure, and a growing market for corporate control are unlocking deeply discounted balance sheets and creating opportunities in small- and mid-cap value stocks. The discussion also covers private equity’s expanding role in Japan, risk controls for avoiding value traps, and how the investor approaches macro volatility, tariffs, and commodity specials through downside-first analysis.

Main Topics: Japan’s governance and balance-sheet reform regime (Priority: 5/5): The speaker argues Japan is undergoing a sea change driven by Tokyo Stock Exchange, Ministry of Finance, and FSA pressure to improve ROE, reduce excess cash/cross-holdings, and articulate cost-of-capital-conscious management plans. Emergence of a market for corporate control in Japan (Priority: 5/5): Hostile bids, activist pressure, and mandated disclosure are creating real takeover dynamics where previously entrenched management and local stakeholders could block deals. Private equity’s opportunity set in Japan (Priority: 4/5): Low rates, cheap valuations, low squeeze-out thresholds, and tighter appraisal/dissent-right economics make Japan especially attractive for PE and LBO-driven outcomes. How to identify Japanese value traps and avoid blowups (Priority: 5/5): The investor emphasizes balance-sheet strength, business survivability, register shape, controlling shareholder type, and liquidity as key filters to avoid managers who can destroy value. Macro volatility, Trump 2.0, and special situations (Priority: 4/5): The speaker frames tariffs, commodity policy, and political volatility as headline-driven and unpredictable, so he prefers insulated special situations and event-driven trades with limited downside. Commodity investing and the limits of forecasting (Priority: 4/5): Examples from copper, coal, nickel, and mining show how technology, policy, and geopolitics can radically alter supply-demand balances, making hard underwriting of future prices difficult. Process and information discipline (Priority: 3/5): The investor says management commentary is often promotional and that bankruptcy dockets and creditor-centered materials are often better sources for understanding industries and downside risk.

Key Arguments: Japan’s old balance-sheet structure is being forced to change because companies are being pushed to explain or improve low ROE, excess cash, and inefficient asset holdings. Disclosure and governance reforms are not just cosmetic; once companies are publicly named or activists appear, management often responds quickly with buybacks, higher dividends, or asset sales. A true market for corporate control is emerging in Japan, which historically did not exist because management, banks, and local stakeholders could block hostile or non-consensual takeovers. Japan is unusually attractive for private equity because leverage is cheap, squeeze-outs can occur at relatively low ownership thresholds, and dissent-right economics have become less favorable to minority holdouts. The best Japanese value opportunities are not just cheap on earnings; they are cheap on hard assets, have stable businesses, and lack a dominant owner above 10%. The biggest risk in deep value is not that the stock stays cheap; it is that an entrenched or eccentric controller actively destroys value through bad capital allocation. In commodities, the future is too uncertain to underwrite confidently, so the investor prefers situations where the thesis works even if the commodity moves against him. Management guidance and bullish industry narratives are unreliable; bankruptcy filings and creditor-oriented disclosures are often better tools for learning what really matters in an industry.

Data Points: ROE target discussed by Japanese regulators: 8% - Used as a rough standard for sustainable equity valuation and reform pressure in Japan Japanese risk-free rate assumption: 2%–3% - Referenced as part of the cost-of-equity framework in Japan Typical equity risk premium range: 3%–6% - Used to explain why 8% ROE is seen as a meaningful benchmark Dividend yield on some legacy Japanese value stocks: 4%–5% - Illustrates why trapped-cash companies can appear acceptable to domestic retail holders Large-cap example reduction in cross-shareholdings: 60% of market cap to 30% - Example of a Japanese company showing governance reform and balance-sheet simplification Buyback target increase example: 5% to 20% of shares over three years - Used to show how companies react when activists or market pressure appears Dividend payout ratio example: 20% to 60% - Illustrates rapid capital-allocation changes after activist involvement Japanese equity market valuation threshold mentioned: 50% to 60% of market cap in cash - Describes the extreme discount available in some Japanese names Sub-500 million market cap focus: Under $500 million market cap - The speaker says this smaller part of the market has more laggard and under-researched opportunities PE squeeze-out threshold in Japan: 66% - A low ownership level that can enable triangular mergers and minority squeeze-outs Typical Western squeeze-out threshold: 90%–95% - Contrast showing why Japan is especially attractive to acquirers Japan target market liquidity example: $30 million to $50 million deployable - Explains why large-cap activists may ignore smaller Japanese opportunities Coal company re-rating example: 2.5x EBITDA to 4x or 5x EBITDA - Whitehaven Coal example tied to capital allocation changes rather than a pure commodity view Copper price move example: Under $4/lb to $5.20/lb - Used to describe the bullish move in copper supporting a resource special situation Holding period / reference on a situation: 12–18 months - Mentions the recency of major commodity and resource market changes, especially nickel in Indonesia Japanese bank stock example: Up 3x; some regional banks up 10x - Used to show how a long-running theme can eventually re-rate once conditions change Example stock valuation: $1.70 average exit / $2.00 recent price - Refers to the Trilogy special situation and its subsequent move Historical position example: $1 to $20x - Peabody equity example showing how asymmetric outcomes can be in distressed resource names

Pivotal Quotes: "this is a 300 million market cap company with $200 million of cash, or better than that, $200 million of cash, $200 of investments, and $100 million of real estate" — Brandon: Describing the classic Japanese balance-sheet unlock opportunity with trapped assets "the market is deciding: look, that cash is trapped, those excess assets are trapped, you're never going to get that" — Brandon: Explaining why many Japanese companies historically traded cheaply and why governance reform matters "if you're approaching things from a hard asset basis... the only way you get your head handed to you... is if management does something to actively destroy value" — Brandon: Summarizing his value-trap avoidance framework and emphasis on downside protection

Implications: Japan’s reform cycle may still be early, especially outside Tokyo and in smaller caps. Investors who focus on hard assets, control dynamics, and liquidity may find unusually asymmetric opportunities, but macro, political, and managerial risks still demand strict downside discipline.

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