Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Jesse Walden - A Primer on NFTs - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 218]

My guest today is Jesse Walden, the founder of Variant, an early-stage venture firm investing in crypto networks and platforms building the ownership economy. With all the hype surrounding NFTs, I wanted to talk to Jesse about them, given his background in the music industry and his focus on the cre

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Executive Summary: Patrick O’Shaughnessy interviews Jesse Walden, founder of Variant, for a primer on NFTs. They define NFTs technically and conceptually, trace roots in music and piracy, and argue NFTs let creators, collectors, and developers own, monetize, and build directly on digital media.

Main Topics: What NFTs are (Priority: 10/5): NFTs are unique blockchain-based tokens that represent ownership of digital media. Music as a case study (Priority: 9/5): Music rights are fragmented, making NFTs a cleaner path for creators to monetize. Creator-to-audience disintermediation (Priority: 10/5): NFTs let creators sell directly to fans and retain more value than Web2 platforms. Programmable royalties and media (Priority: 9/5): Smart contracts can route resale royalties and future usage fees automatically. Ownership economy (Priority: 8/5): Users, creators, and collectors can own pieces of platforms and content they help build. NFT ecosystem and hype cycle (Priority: 8/5): The space is in a speculative boom, but Jesse argues the underlying technology is durable.

Key Arguments: NFTs make unique digital assets individually ownable without a third party. Music royalties are too fragmented for platforms like Spotify to reliably pay everyone. Creators can monetize super-fans directly, often more than ad-based Web2 models. NFTs can carry programmable royalties that pay creators on future resales. NFTs enable 'media Legos,' where developers remix assets into new products and experiences. The ownership economy rewards users for bootstrapping networks, not just shareholders. Despite hype and corrections, the technology should persist and improve.

Data Points: NFTs sold on OpenSea: Nyan Cat sold for $600,000 - Example of viral digital media gaining value as a canonical original Top Shot volume: $200 million in volume in the last 30 days - Used to illustrate NFT collectibles traction Expert call price on Tegas: $300 per call - Sponsor read contrasting with $1,000+ elsewhere Tegas call library: more than 10,000 calls - Sponsor read describing platform scale NordVPN server count: over 5,500 servers - Sponsor read describing network scale NordVPN countries: 60 countries - Sponsor read describing global coverage NordVPN devices: up to six simultaneous connections - Sponsor read describing household/device usage Monetization comparison: a ton of money - Creators may earn more directly from super-fans than from streams Hype-cycle reference: 2017 - NFTs compared to earlier crypto hype cycles NFT origins discussed: 2014 - Jesse references starting Media Chain in 2014

Pivotal Quotes: "NFTs are a new file type, a digital media file that lives on the blockchain." — Jesse Walden: Simple definition of NFTs early in the conversation "the creators and their audiences the means to correspond and transact directly with one another." — Jesse Walden: Why NFTs change the creator-platform relationship "NFTs are not a new idea for anyone who's been in the space for a hot minute" — Jesse Walden: On persistence through hype cycles and iterative development

Implications: NFTs may become the default wrapper for internet media, but their long-term shape depends on whether creators, users, and developers keep building beyond speculative trading.

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