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Kontrarian Korner's Ben Kelleran on Sable Offshore $SOC

In this episode of Yet Another Value Podcast, host Andrew Walker speaks with Ben Kelleran of Kontrarian Korner to discuss Sable Offshore, a company attempting to revive the Santa Ynez oil unit off the California coast. They explore the high-stakes nature of this investment, dissect the complex legal

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Executive Summary: The episode examines Sable Offshore (SOC), a highly controversial California oil restart story. Guest Ben Keller argues the asset—Exxon’s former Santa Ynez unit—has unusually strong reserves, low costs, and large upside if operations fully restart, while a takings claim provides downside protection if California blocks production. The main debate centers on legal/regulatory risk, refinancing, and whether the fire marshal sign-off is the key all-clear catalyst.

Main Topics: Why Sable Offshore Is So Controversial (Priority: 5/5): Andrew frames SOC as a former SPAC, California oil name, and Exxon divestiture—three major red flags—while Ben argues those same features create a highly asymmetric setup if the asset restarts. Asset Quality and Operating Economics (Priority: 5/5): Ben says the Santa Ynez unit is a rare, long-life, low-decline, low-cost offshore oil asset with “Saudi-like” economics in the U.S., potentially producing for decades. Legal and Regulatory Roadblocks (Priority: 5/5): The conversation focuses on lawsuits, injunctions, state/federal regulatory overlap, and the fire marshal certificate of operations as the pivotal approval needed for full restart. Downside Protection Via Takings Claim (Priority: 4/5): If California prevents restart, Ben argues Sable could pursue a large takings claim against the state/CCC, creating a substantial recovery even in a failure scenario. Capital Structure, Dilution, and Refinancing (Priority: 4/5): They discuss the post-PR equity raise, cash needs, and upcoming debt refinancing, including how production restart could improve financing terms and enable capital returns. Market Perception and Information Advantage (Priority: 3/5): Andrew raises concerns that this is a fast-moving, litigation-driven stock where only highly informed specialists may trade well, while Ben argues the market will quickly reprice after a clear regulatory milestone.

Key Arguments: Sable’s Santa Ynez unit is portrayed as one of the best oil and gas assets in the U.S., with very long reserve life and low decline rates. The investment is framed as binary: if the restart succeeds, the stock could multi-bag; if it fails, the takings claim may still yield major value. Exxon sold the asset not because it was worthless, but because it was too small relative to Exxon’s portfolio and became a regulatory liability in California. Jim Flores is presented as a critical “jockey” with rare experience, strong ownership alignment, and the ability to navigate the asset’s technical and legal complexity. The key near-term catalyst is not abstract value but the fire marshal’s certificate of operations; once that drops, production should be fully unlocked. The recent equity raise is defended as prudent liquidity management ahead of restart costs, legal expenses, and debt refinancing, rather than a negative signal. Even if legal proceedings continue, Ben argues operations can proceed once the fire marshal signs off and that lawsuits become background noise rather than a stop-work risk. Relative valuation may still be attractive because the reserve base and production economics can justify substantial upside even after accounting for California and single-asset risk.

Data Points: Asset size: 76,000 acres / 118 square miles - Size of the Santa Ynez unit described as the core asset Reserve life: 50-70 years - Ben’s estimate of how long the asset could produce once fully restarted Potential downside claim: $7 billion to $10 billion - Estimated takings-claim damages if the state blocks restart Implied downside per share: $75 to $100 per share - Ben’s estimate tied to the takings claim Oil price assumption: $65 Brent - Andrew and Ben discuss valuation under current-ish oil prices Lease operating cost guidance: $11.00 to $13.50 per barrel - Management guidance discussed for the restart phase Target longer-run lifting cost: Below $10 per barrel - Ben’s expectation after ramp and operating leverage Production guidance: 20,000 to 25,000 bpd; then 40,000 to 50,000 bpd - Company guidance cited for ramping production Potential year-end production: 60,000 to 70,000+ bpd - Ben’s view of likely ramp by end of year / into 2026 Royalty rate: 16.4% - Andrew cites the royalty burden on the asset Estimated EBITDA: ~$1.0 billion to $1.2 billion annually - Rough full-year estimate at ~$70 Brent and ramped production Enterprise value: ~$3.5 billion - Andrew’s estimate of current enterprise value Equity raise: $256 million - Secondary offering completed shortly after positive production news Cash at end of Q1 2025: $189 million - Balance cited when explaining the need for the equity raise Short interest: ~13.8 to 13.9 million shares (~14%) - Ben cites high short interest as a possible squeeze catalyst NOLs: $834 million - Net operating losses cited as an additional tax asset Pipeline/maintenance spend: $50 million to $70 million per year - Estimated annual cost Exxon bore while asset was shut in Hydrocarbon resource in place: 15 billion barrels of oil in place - Ben’s estimate of total oil in place beneath the asset Recoverable reserves: 646 million barrels (company figure); Ben says over 1 billion possible - Reserve estimate debate and reason for valuation dispute Debt maturity / springing repayment: January 9, 2026 (latest repayment date discussed) - Timeline for Exxon-related debt repayment after production begins

Pivotal Quotes: "they are in the process of bringing online the best oil and gas asset in the U.S. over the last several decades" — Ben Keller: Ben’s core thesis on asset quality and upside "if they're not able to restart, you have a very good case for 10 billion" — Ben Keller: Downside/takings-claim framing if California blocks operations "basically, once the fire marshal signs off, then the whole San Diego unit is ready for full operations" — Ben Keller: Identifies the key all-clear catalyst, referring to the Santa Ynez unit

Implications: Listeners should view SOC as a high-risk, event-driven special situation where the decisive catalyst is regulatory sign-off. If it clears, the company could re-rate sharply; if not, litigation and takings claims may still preserve value, but timing and volatility remain extreme.

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