Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

Long Global, Short USA (EP.251)

On today's show we discuss Elon Musk's new position in Twitter, Tiger Global, the scalding hot labor market, frugality is not always the way, the Animal Spirits Discord channel and much more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick’s T

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Executive Summary: The episode ranges from playful banter about Elon Musk’s Twitter stake and a personal Masterworks art exit to a wide review of Q1 market leadership, Tiger Global’s stumble, international vs. U.S. equity concentration, the yield curve, record corporate margins, labor-market strength, and inflation. The hosts argue that investing remains hard even for sophisticated players, while diversification, buy-and-hold discipline, and not overreacting to headlines remain central themes.

Main Topics: Elon Musk’s Twitter stake and platform monetization (Priority: 5/5): The hosts debate whether Musk’s Twitter purchase is a troll move, a serious investment, or an attempt to improve monetization more than user experience. They agree Twitter’s core DNA may be hard to change, but monetization and ads could improve materially. Q1 market performance and growth vs. value (Priority: 5/5): They review first-quarter returns, noting value’s relative resilience and growth’s sharp drawdown, especially among individual stocks. The discussion frames this as another reminder that stock picking is difficult even in a volatile market. Tiger Global’s underperformance and tech concentration risk (Priority: 4/5): A Bloomberg piece on Tiger Global sparks discussion of how concentrated tech and China exposure hurt performance. The hosts question whether tech-heavy funds now face an even tougher benchmark than the S&P 500. U.S. stocks vs. international stocks (Priority: 5/5): Using a chart showing the U.S. market’s long-run outperformance versus the rest of the world, they discuss valuation, concentration, currency effects, and whether international diversification still makes sense despite years of underperformance. Yield curve inversions and recession timing (Priority: 5/5): They discuss repeated yield-curve inversions and whether the signal still matters given Fed intervention. They cite prior research suggesting the curve is poor at timing equity markets, even if it may still have recession-warning value. Profit margins, labor markets, and inflation (Priority: 5/5): The conversation highlights record-high corporate profit margins, strong wage growth—especially at the low end—and extremely tight labor conditions. They connect these trends to inflation persistence, potential Fed tightening, and the odds of a soft landing. Spending, saving, and personal finance philosophy (Priority: 4/5): The hosts reflect on frugality, die-with-zero ideas, and the value of spending money intentionally. They argue that extreme frugality can be as unhealthy as overspending for wealthier households.

Key Arguments: Twitter’s user experience may be hard to transform dramatically, but its monetization could still be meaningfully improved. Even elite hedge funds can lag simple index exposure when they over-concentrate in crowded themes like tech and China. The U.S. market’s long-run dominance makes global diversification feel unrewarding, but concentration risk and currency cycles still justify owning international stocks. Yield-curve inversions have historically preceded recessions, yet research suggests they are weak tools for timing equity markets. Corporate profit margins are unusually high, and much of that strength likely reflects the rise of large-cap technology firms with exceptional productivity. The labor market is so tight that wage gains at the low end are strong, which supports workers but also sustains inflation pressure. For wealthier investors, the goal should often shift from accumulation to meaningful spending, gifting, or other uses of capital rather than dying with the most money possible.

Data Points: Masterworks art exit gain: 33% nominal gain - Ben describes his first painting exit through Masterworks after a sale from about $1.9M to $2.7M. Inflation-adjusted art gain: 2% real gain - He jokes that the return was much smaller after inflation. Twitter stake: 9.2% - Elon Musk’s purchase of a large stake in Twitter is discussed as a major market-moving headline. Elon Musk net worth: about $270 billion - Used to emphasize that the Twitter purchase was a small fraction of Musk’s wealth. Tiger Global first-quarter return: -34% - Bloomberg-reported first-quarter decline in Tiger Global’s performance. Tiger Global vs. NASDAQ since 2017: Tiger 6.5% annualized vs NASDAQ 19% annualized - Illustrates how much the fund lagged tech benchmarks over a multi-year period. Tiger Global vs. S&P 500 since 2017: Tiger 6.5% annualized vs S&P 500 12.7% annualized - Shows underperformance even relative to the broader U.S. market. Russell 1000 Value Q1 return: -1.2% - Referenced while reviewing quarter-by-quarter market performance. Russell 2000 Growth Q1 return: -12.7% - Highlights how growth stocks and smaller names were hit much harder in Q1. Corporate profit margin: above 13% in all four quarters of 2021 - Bloomberg data cited as exceptionally high versus historical norms. Profit margin rarity: only one other three-month period in 70 years above that level - Used to underscore how unusual last year’s margins were. Employee compensation growth: 11% - Bloomberg-reported year-over-year compensation growth amid strong profits. Average annualized returns of U.S. vs international stocks (1970–2000 through 2011): rough parity over 40 years - Used to remind listeners that long historical stretches can look very different from recent ones. Prime-age labor force participation: 83% - Cited to refute the claim that “no one wants to work anymore.” Lowest U.S. unemployment rate ever: 2.5% - Referenced as the historical floor for unemployment since 1948. Average hourly earnings in leisure and hospitality: +20.8% YoY - A sign of intense wage pressure in lower-paid service sectors. U.S. jobs lost in early pandemic: more than 22 million in two months - Used to highlight the speed of the 2020 labor-market collapse. Jobs recovered by the time of discussion: all but 1.6 million - Shows the labor market’s dramatic rebound. Mortgage rate: 4.9% - The 30-year fixed mortgage rate was noted as the highest since 2011. Consumer spending on food and energy: 12% today vs 27% in 1960 - Used to argue that modern consumers are less exposed to energy shocks than in prior decades. Energy spending share: 4% today vs nearly 10% peak in late 1970s/early 1980s - Supports the point that energy prices matter less to household budgets than in the past. Low savings-account rate: 0.06% - Banks are paying almost nothing on deposits while charging much higher credit-card rates. Credit card rates: 16% average - Illustrates bank pricing power and deposit complacency.

Pivotal Quotes: "The world's biggest troll." — Michael: Describing Elon Musk’s 9.2% Twitter stake and his public behavior on the platform. "I still don't understand how I spend nine hours a day on Twitter and it has no idea who I am. Whereas Instagram, I'm on a fraction of the time and it knows me inside and out." — Ben: On Twitter’s weak personalization compared with other social platforms. "Buy and hold is still probably a superior strategy than trying to use a yield." — Ben: Summarizing the Fama/French conclusion that yield-curve inversion is not useful for timing equity exits.

Implications: Listeners are reminded that headline-driven narratives often overstate what can be changed. The bigger lessons are diversification, humility about forecasts, and focusing on structural forces—technology, labor, margins, and rates—that shape returns and inflation.

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