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Louis-Vincent Gave, Gavekal - Investment Themes for 2023 | #459

Today’s guest is Louis-Vincent Gave, Founding Partner and CEO of GaveKal, a leading independent provider of macro research, and GaveKal Capital, a global asset manager. In today’s episode, Louis kicks it off with the biggest topic in global markets today – the Xi Pivot & reopening of China. He s

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Executive Summary: Louis-Vincent Gave argues that China’s reopening is the dominant market catalyst for 2023, likely boosting commodities, supply chains, and emerging markets while pressuring India in the near term. He is bearish on U.S. assets, especially corporate credit and 60/40 portfolios, and argues that deglobalization and inflation have structurally weakened the safety of OECD bonds and Western real estate.

Main Topics: China reopening and post-lockdown effects (Priority: 5/5): Gave sees China’s shift away from lockdowns as the year’s defining macro event, with pent-up demand, supply-chain disruption, and a likely inflationary impulse as the economy reopens. Emerging markets as the new leadership group (Priority: 5/5): He argues that China’s rebound, a weaker dollar, and a near-end to Fed tightening should drive outperformance in EM after a year of surprising resilience. Bearish view on the U.S. and corporate credit (Priority: 5/5): Gave expects U.S. bankruptcies, rising credit stress, and a broad challenge to the idea that the U.S. is the 'cleanest dirty shirt.' Deglobalization and the breakdown of 'safe' assets (Priority: 4/5): He contends that sanctions on Russia undermined Western property-rights credibility, reducing foreign capital flows into OECD bonds and real estate. Portfolio construction in an inflationary regime (Priority: 4/5): He warns that the classic 60/40 stock-bond mix may fail if stocks and bonds remain positively correlated, and advocates owning assets that benefit from inflation. India versus China in EM allocation (Priority: 3/5): India has benefited from China fears and portfolio crowding, but Gave thinks China reopening will force reallocations away from India in the near term. Career lessons from sovereign and currency trades (Priority: 3/5): He recounts two formative calls: the European sovereign divergence trade and building an early Chinese bond-market franchise, emphasizing the power of government and policy.

Key Arguments: China reopening is likely to create both demand surges and supply-chain bottlenecks, making it a potential final COVID-linked inflation shock. Chinese protests accelerated policy change; Gave says the CCP prioritizes social stability and usually responds by conceding quickly rather than repressing broadly. China likely stockpiled commodities during lockdown, which may blunt the expected commodity spike, but consumer goods shortages could still emerge because finished products were not stockpiled. Emerging markets are positioned to benefit from three tailwinds at once: China reopening, a weaker U.S. dollar, and an end to Fed tightening. The U.S. is vulnerable to a wave of bankruptcies because years of cheap money funded weak businesses that cannot survive higher rates. BBB corporate debt in the U.S. is now so large that a recession could create a major wave of fallen angels with insufficient liquidity buyers. OECD government bonds and Western real estate are less safe than investors assume because deglobalization reduces foreign demand for those assets. Western sanctions on Russia created a precedent that makes Chinese and other EM capital holders question whether overseas assets are truly safe. India remains a high-quality long-term market but may underperform temporarily as global EM capital rotates back into China. Traditional 60/40 portfolios may need to be rebuilt around inflation beneficiaries such as energy, commodities, and EM rather than relying on bonds as a hedge.

Data Points: China commodity imports from Russia: $4 billion/month pre-COVID vs. $11 billion/month in recent months - Used to argue China has been stockpiling commodities during lockdowns. Population density comparison: China has roughly the same land mass as the U.S. but about 4x the population - Supports the expectation of faster virus spread and supply-chain disruption during reopening. U.S. rate hikes: About 375-400 basis points - Cited as an example of how hawkish the Fed has been over the past year. DXY U.S. dollar move: Up 22% in six months - Used to illustrate the unusually strong dollar and its pressure on EM assets. Emerging market portfolio share for U.S. investors: About 2% - Argued to be far below EM’s share of global market cap, implying underownership. Global EM market cap share: About 13% - Presented as the approximate global market-cap weight of emerging markets. BBB debt in the U.S. in 2007-2008: About $600 billion - Benchmark for how much investment-grade credit existed before the financial crisis. BBB debt in the U.S. today: About $4 trillion - Used to warn about potential downgrade waves in a recession. High-yield market size in the U.S.: Around $1 trillion - Gave says this market may be too small to absorb a large influx of fallen angels. U.S. equity and bond drawdown: Both down about 20% - Used to challenge the 'cleanest dirty shirt' framing of the U.S. market. China protests and Beijing COVID cases: About 5,000 cases/day and zero deaths in Beijing for a week - Cited as evidence that authorities could justify reopening.

Pivotal Quotes: "China is reopening. How’d you play that? You buy China." — Louis-Vincent Gave: His direct investment stance on the reopening trade and EM allocation. "The assets you think are safe are far less safe than you think they are, and the assets that you think are unsafe are probably much safer than you think they are." — Louis-Vincent Gave: His core portfolio and regime-change thesis on bonds, real estate, and equities. "How screwed as an asset class OECD government bonds are." — Louis-Vincent Gave: A blunt summary of his view that government bonds have lost their traditional role as safe assets.

Implications: Investors may need to rotate away from U.S.-centric 60/40 portfolios and toward EM, commodities, and inflation beneficiaries. China reopening could reshape global growth leadership, while Western bonds and real estate may remain structurally pressured.

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