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MacroVoices #258 Julian Brigden: As Good As It Gets?

MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome Julian Brigden to the show to discuss why Julian thinks equity valuations are already stretched and why he shares the inflationary view expressed by Russell Napier and Jim Bianco in recent episodes. Link: https://bit.ly/3rHZfgk

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Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend ([email protected]) HostEric Townsend GuestJulian Brigden Guest

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 258 centers on the emerging secular inflation narrative and its market implications. Eric Townsend and Julian Brigden discuss stretched equity valuations, weakening dollar prospects, rising Treasury yields, strong crude oil, and a potentially explosive rotation into inflation-sensitive assets, while Patrick Ceresna’s post-game chartbook frames current speculation as a series of “rolling bubbles” across FAANG, EVs, Bitcoin proxies, and other hot sectors.

Main Topics: Secular inflation and policy regime shift (Priority: 5/5): Brigden argues the macro backdrop is shifting toward durable inflation driven by massive fiscal stimulus, persistent QE, and a social/political environment that favors monetary repression over Volcker-style tightening. Equity valuations and vulnerability of growth stocks (Priority: 5/5): Both hosts stress that US equities—especially mega-cap growth names—are priced for low rates and could face pressure if yields rise, even if markets can continue higher in a crack-up boom first. Dollar weakness and reserve currency stress (Priority: 4/5): The discussion frames the dollar index as a relative currency measure that may roll over as other central banks also debase, with downside risk to the dollar as a key early warning signal for inflationary instability. Rising yields, steepening curve, and Fed response (Priority: 5/5): Treasury yields are seen as able to rise meaningfully before intervention, but the real issue is whether the Fed will eventually suppress yields to avoid crushing equities and the recovery. Commodity strength, especially crude oil (Priority: 4/5): Crude oil is presented as one of the clearest bullish trends, supported by inventory draws and potential future supply constraints that could drive prices much higher. Bitcoin, Tesla, and speculative manias (Priority: 4/5): Elon Musk’s involvement in Bitcoin is portrayed as a possible catalyst for a much larger speculative move, while Tesla is used as a prime example of a classic bubble and a stock highly sensitive to rate changes. Rolling bubbles across market sectors (Priority: 5/5): The post-game chartbook shows speculative capital rotating from FAANG and social media into EVs, autos, meme stocks, crypto proxies, cannabis, and microcaps, suggesting bubbles are migrating rather than ending.

Key Arguments: Macro regime is shifting toward secular inflation because fiscal stimulus is unprecedented and the Fed is increasingly likely to accommodate it rather than stop it. Equity markets can still rise in the short run even if valuations are stretched, because the market may be in a crack-up boom phase rather than an immediate top. Higher nominal yields and especially higher real yields are negative for gold and high-multiple growth stocks, but gold may be correcting before a larger inflationary breakout. The dollar index can weaken substantially without the dollar immediately losing reserve status; a 35%-40% decline over the next two years is plausible in Brigden’s models. The Fed probably cannot tolerate a market-clearing rise in yields without major damage to equities and the economy, so eventual yield suppression is likely. Bitcoin’s upside may be driven less by fundamentals than by narrative and promotion, with Elon Musk viewed as unusually capable of amplifying speculative demand. Current speculation is not concentrated in one asset but is rolling from one bubble to another, with investors chasing the next momentum pocket. The broad S&P 500 has lagged the explosive moves in thematic/speculative baskets, reinforcing the idea that market leadership is narrowing. Crude oil remains structurally bullish because inventories are drawing and U.S. production has not yet rolled over as some expected. The transition from low inflation to high inflation may happen faster than many expect, because modern markets are more liquid and feedback loops are stronger than in the 1960s/70s.

Data Points: Podcast episode: Episode 258 - Macro Voices five-year anniversary episode recorded Feb. 11, 2021 S&P 500 level: Around 3,900 - Discussed as the index slowly crawls higher during the week US crude oil inventories draw: -6.6 million barrels - Weekly inventory data cited by Eric Townsend Gasoline inventories build: +4.3 million barrels - Offsetting part of the crude draw Distillates inventory draw: -1.7 million barrels - Weekly inventory data cited in the crude discussion US oil production: 11.0 million barrels/day - Production ticked up by 100,000 barrels/day from the prior week Crude oil technical target: $60.92 per barrel - Eric’s stated logical target for the rally Gold down-channel resistance: $1,837 - Julian identified this as channel resistance after the bounce Gold channel support / prior low: $1,765 - Potential next test for gold Bitcoin price reference: Nearly $50,000 - Reference point while discussing Elon Musk and Tesla’s Bitcoin purchase Potential Bitcoin upside: $100,000 to $250,000+ - Discussed as possible speculative targets if Elon-driven momentum persists 10-year Treasury yield: About 1.18% - Referenced as the current level during discussion of yield upside risk Possible Treasury yield range: 2.50% to 3.50% - Julian said this move is believable before intervention is required 6-month Treasury bill yield: 4 bps - Used to illustrate how low the front end of the curve remains Potential jobs recovery: 4 to 5 million jobs added - Julian’s expectation for further payroll rebound Potential permanent jobs loss: 4 to 5 million jobs - Julian’s view that employment may never fully return to pre-COVID levels Likely unemployment rate: 6% to 7% - Projected steady-state unemployment range after recovery Inflation threshold to watch: 4% CPI - Referenced as Russell Napier’s caution level for moving from benign to harmful inflation Historical CPI reference: 5.6% CPI in July 2008 - Used to compare with PMI pricing pressures

Pivotal Quotes: "I think we've got a crackup boom in play, and it could take us much, much higher." — Eric Townsend: Opening market commentary on equities and the secular inflation backdrop "I think the clear call here, which is just resoundingly clear in my mind, is all fiat currencies devalue in purchasing power in coming years." — Eric Townsend: Discussion of the U.S. dollar and broader currency debasement "The Fed's got to do that. They're going to have to underwrite trillions of dollars worth of debt issuance because we can't do it at a market economically clearing rate without crushing the recovery and the economy and the equity market." — Julian Brigden: Debate over whether the Fed can allow Treasury yields to clear at market rates

Implications: Listeners should expect continued asset inflation, but with rising volatility and sharper regime risk. Favored trades may shift toward commodities, inflation hedges, and selective hedged exposure, while high-multiple growth names and the dollar look increasingly fragile.

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