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MacroVoices #281 Darius Dale: Inflation is officially on hold but just for now

MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome 42 Macro founder Darius Dale to the show to discuss why he is a secular inflationist long-term even though his models predict disinflation in coming months. Link: https://bit.ly/3eI2nok

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Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend ([email protected]) HostEric Townsend Guest

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 281 centers on a near-term regime shift: Darius Dale’s 42 Macro models flipped from inflation to disinflation/deflation for the next several months, even as he remains a secular inflationist over the longer run. Eric Townsend and Patrick Serezna frame the market backdrop as a late-summer risk-off setup in equities, oil, yields, and metals, with fading macro surprises, tight risk premia, and a possible correction before inflation reasserts later.

Main Topics: Darius Dale’s model shift from inflation to deflation (Priority: 5/5): Dale explains that 42 Macro’s dynamic factor model, based on 42 indicators and volatility-adjusted momentum, has switched from an inflation regime to a deflationary/disinflationary one for the next several months. Secular inflation thesis still intact (Priority: 5/5): Despite the near-term shift, Dale argues the U.S. has structurally higher inflation than the post-crisis era due to demographics, fiscal deficits, dollar recycling, leverage, and populist policy responses. Federal Reserve constraints and policy reaction function (Priority: 5/5): The discussion emphasizes that the Fed may be constrained by inflation and debt dynamics, limiting its ability to aggressively ease during a market downturn and potentially forcing a slower reaction than markets expect. Equity market correction risk and regime rotation (Priority: 4/5): Townsend, Dale, and Serezna discuss stretched valuations, extreme sentiment, potential 10%-16% pullback analogs, and the possibility that the S&P 500 is topping into a choppy summer range. Oil volatility and the return of commodity whipsaws (Priority: 4/5): Oil sold off sharply on OPEC+ supply headlines and Delta concerns but recovered quickly; both hosts view the move as a correction within a broader bullish trend, though near-term volatility is elevated. Treasury yields, dollar strength, and disinflationary signals (Priority: 4/5): Declining Treasury yields, a potentially topping dollar, and weakening inflation expectations are interpreted as evidence of a near-term disinflationary regime. Patrick’s summer-doldrums market breadth and sentiment signals (Priority: 3/5): The post-game chart deck highlights oversold breadth, extreme fear readings, and sector divergences that suggest either a setup for a melt-up or a more prolonged sideways consolidation.

Key Arguments: Dale’s regime model flipped to deflation/disinflation as of July 20, implying investors should reduce cyclical risk and high-grade exposures. He believes inflation will decelerate for roughly six to seven months before reaccelerating in the back half of 2022. Long-term inflation is supported by demographic decline, fiscal expansion, reduced dollar recycling, elevated leverage, and worsening inequality/social conflict. The Fed is unlikely to respond to the first phase of a market correction with aggressive added easing because inflation is already too high. Risk assets may face a meaningful drawdown similar to the 2010 analog, with a plausible 15%-16% S&P 500 correction. Near-term inflation hedges like copper may offer a better entry point later, after the expected disinflationary pullback. Oil’s selloff is viewed as a correction rather than a trend break; OPEC+ and Delta fears caused panic, but inventory data and price action did not validate a bearish structural shift. Treasury yields appear to be trending lower as growth and inflation expectations soften, while the dollar is approaching important resistance. Patrick’s sentiment and breadth indicators show fear/oversold readings that are unusually negative relative to the modest index decline, implying a potentially fragile market structure.

Data Points: Macro Voices episode: 281 - Episode number discussed in the introduction Recording date: July 22, 2021 - Episode recording date Dale’s model indicators: 42 market indicators - Inputs used in 42 Macro’s regime model Signal frequency: 2.5 times per year - How often Dale says meaningful regime changes occur Projected growth acceleration peak: August 2021 - Dale said U.S. growth acceleration should culminate next month Projected deflationary period: 6 to 7 months - Expected disinflation/deflation phase after August Inflation stationary mean (post-crisis era): ~1.5% - Dale’s estimate for headline CPI stationary mean from 2010 to 2019 Inflation stationary mean (new regime): ~3.0% - Dale’s longer-term estimate for U.S. headline CPI stationary mean WTI crude target: Above $80 by Labor Day - Townsend’s and Dale’s bullish near-term oil view EIA crude inventory build: 2.1 million barrels - Weekly crude stock change reported during the interview Cushing crude draw: 1.3 million barrels - Cushing, Oklahoma inventory movement Gasoline inventory draw: 121,000 barrels - Weekly gasoline stock change Distillates inventory draw: 1.3 million barrels - Weekly distillate stock change U.S. production: 11.4 million barrels/day - Discussed as continuing to tick up 10-year Treasury yield: Around 1.26% - Level at time of recording Treasury yield resistance level: 1.34% - Prior technical level discussed as failed resistance/support Fed asset purchases: $120 billion/month - Dale cited current monthly QE pace as a constraint context S&P 500 correction analog: ~16% drawdown - Dale’s 2009-2010 analog for potential correction size Real S&P 500 earnings yield: -2 - Dale said CPI-adjusted earnings yield had recently fallen to negative two Growth expectations for 2021: 6.6% - Dale cited consensus tracking for U.S. growth in 2021 Growth expectations for 2022: 4.2% - Dale cited consensus tracking for U.S. growth in 2022 Credit spread move: From just above 3% to about 3.5% OAS - Patrick’s discussion of junk bond spread widening CNN Fear & Greed Index: 24 - Patrick said this was in extreme fear territory NYSE stocks above 50-day moving average: ~25% - Breadth reading cited by Patrick Dale’s subscription pricing: $50/month and $100/month - Pricing tiers for 42 Macro content

Pivotal Quotes: "my model says inflation. Then something changed because I got an email from you just a couple hours before we did this interview... and you said, you might get your deflationist after all." — Eric Townsend: Eric introduces the key premise that Dale’s near-term regime view has flipped "That system finally tipped in favor of default. Inflation as of this morning, Tuesday, July 20th." — Darius Dale: Dale explains the model’s regime change from inflation to deflation/disinflation "I think the market is saying, oh, no, wait, this is still kind of the same Fed that we're used to." — Darius Dale: Dale on why markets may be underestimating the Fed’s willingness/ability to respond aggressively "We’re headed back to fresh all-time highs." — Eric Townsend: Eric’s view on the S&P 500 after the Delta-driven selloff

Implications: Listeners should prepare for a near-term disinflationary/risk-off window even if they remain secular inflation believers. Positioning may favor defensive or high-grade exposures now, with inflation-sensitive trades potentially offering better entries later if the expected second wave emerges.

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