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MacroVoices #297 Ole Hansen: Commodity Sector Outlook

MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome Saxo Bank Commodity Strategy chief Ole Hansen to the show to discuss the outlook for commodities with the macro backdrop of secular inflation, which Ole sees on the near horizon, and whether gold, copper, or other commodities will be the best inf

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices Episode 297 centers on a broadly bullish commodity outlook driven by secular inflation, ESG-related underinvestment, and supply tightness. Eric Townsend and Ola Hansen argue that energy, industrial metals, and selectively gold have room to run, while political theater and volatile positioning create short-term noise. The episode closes with Patrick's charts reinforcing breakouts across multiple commodity markets.

Main Topics: Secular inflation and the commodity supercycle (Priority: 5/5): Ola Hansen argues inflation is not transitory and that post-pandemic demand, green transition spending, and supply constraints are setting up a multi-year commodity bull market. Crude oil volatility and political theater (Priority: 5/5): Eric and Ola see crude fundamentals as bullish but emphasize that White House rhetoric, SPR releases, and OPEC+ headlines are causing sharp short-term whipsaws. Gold breakout and real-yield support (Priority: 5/5): Gold is seen as finally breaking out of a long consolidation, supported by deeply negative real yields, rising inflation expectations, and renewed momentum. Dollar strength versus commodity strength (Priority: 4/5): The dollar is breaking out, but both speakers note the unusual coexistence of a strong dollar, strong gold, and strong crypto, suggesting deeper monetary regime stress. Underinvestment in supply and ESG effects (Priority: 5/5): Hansen repeatedly stresses that ESG pressure, lack of CapEx, and reluctance to fund fossil fuel and mining projects are preventing the normal supply response to high prices. Broad commodity market structure and positioning (Priority: 4/5): Backwardation, tight inventories, and low speculative positioning suggest commodities may still have upside despite already strong year-to-date performance. Patrick's technical tour of commodities (Priority: 3/5): The post-game chart review highlights breakouts or near-breakouts in the dollar, gold, platinum, wheat, and soft commodities, while copper appears to be basing for another leg higher.

Key Arguments: The current inflation surge is structural, not temporary, because demand has recovered strongly while supply is constrained by underinvestment and the energy transition. ESG policies and political pressure are reducing capital flowing into oil, gas, and mining, which slows the supply response and supports higher commodity prices. Crude oil is fundamentally bullish, but near-term price action may remain erratic because political intervention and SPR releases can distort market signals. Gold’s lag has been due to low volatility, strong equities, crypto competition, and weak ETF demand, not because its macro case is broken. Gold is likely to benefit if real yields stay deeply negative and if gold can clear the $1,835-$1,840 resistance zone with momentum. The dollar can rise even in a world where the dollar’s long-term reserve role is fading, because dollar scarcity can push the index higher in the short run. Industrial metals and energy show backwardation/tightness, indicating markets remain undersupplied and roll yield is supportive for longs. Copper remains a key long-term beneficiary of electrification and the green transition, even if China-related weakness temporarily caps upside. Agricultural markets face additional upside risk from weather, fertilizer costs, and energy-linked input inflation. Uranium and nuclear power are viewed as long-term winners because they can provide baseload power faster than other low-carbon alternatives.

Data Points: Episode number: 297 - Macro Voices episode identifier Recording date: November 11, 2021 - Episode recording date S&P 500 run-up: 16 out of 18 consecutive trading days higher - Eric describing the recent equity rally S&P 500 level: Above 4,700 - Recent upside breakout area Dollar index breakout: Above 94.50 - Dollar broke out of its one-month range WTI crude intraday level: Almost $84 - Oil rebounded during the week of the interview Crude inventory build: 1 million barrels - EIA reported a national crude build after including SPR release Commercial crude draw: 2.1 million barrels - Underlying commercial inventories fell before SPR adjustment Strategic Petroleum Reserve release: 3.1 million barrels - SPR release offset commercial draw and produced a net build Cushing crude draw: 34,000 barrels - Weekly Cushing inventory change Gasoline draw: 1.6 million barrels - EIA products report Distillates draw: 2.6 million barrels - EIA products report Three-month T-bill yield: 4 basis points - Front-end of the curve remained extremely low Six-month T-bill yield: 6 basis points - Front-end of the curve remained extremely low Twelve-month T-bill yield: 15 basis points - Front-end of the curve remained extremely low Two-year Treasury yield: 51 basis points - Eric cited a notable lift in the curve between 1Y and 2Y 10-year Treasury yield: About 1.55% - Conversation about long-end rates Gold key resistance: Around 1833-1840 - Level discussed as the breakout trigger Gold possible upside: $100 move if resistance breaks - Ola's view on momentum acceleration Gold fair-value gap: $40 to $50 cheap - Ola's estimate based on real yields Copper support: Around $4.00/lb - Technical floor on high-grade copper Copper prior high reference: Near record high from May - Context for copper’s recent attempt Gas price surge: Up more than 300% at one point - European gas market move referenced by Ola Gas priced in Brent equivalent: Close to $200 per barrel equivalent - Illustrative comparison of gas market distortion US oil production forecast: 11.6 million bpd in December 2021; 11.9 million bpd average in 2022 - EIA forecast cited by Ola US pre-pandemic oil production: 13 million bpd - Reference level for US output before COVID OPEC+ increase: 400,000 bpd - Recent monthly quota increase discussed Nigeria and Angola shortfall: 450,000 bpd combined below quota - Underproduction offsetting OPEC+ increases Potential Iranian supply: 1.2 million bpd additional supply potential - Possible relief if sanctions ease Global energy mix: Around 80% fossil fuels, 1% renewables, 5% nuclear - Ola’s framing of transition difficulty CapEx level: Back to around 20-year-ago levels - MSCI world materials and energy sector investment referenced Gold ETF holdings: Downward trajectory for 18 months - Explaining gold’s weak performance Commodity positioning peak: January 2021 - Net long exposure across 24 major commodities peaked then Copper inventory levels: Approaching lowest in more than a decade - Visible exchange inventories referenced

Pivotal Quotes: "This is not a crashing market. If you guys want to know over in the equity world what volatility looks like, come on over to the crude oil pit." — Eric Townsend: Eric downplays panic over a modest S&P pullback while contrasting it with commodity volatility "I think this is more about political theater. ... those theatrics can result in a tremendous amount of market volatility, and that's what we're seeing." — Eric Townsend: On crude oil and the White House response to rising energy prices "This now, this is what I call a freaking breakout." — Eric Townsend: On gold’s move above resistance after a long consolidation

Implications: Listeners should expect continued upside in commodities, especially energy, metals, and possibly gold, but with sharp volatility driven by politics and positioning. The longer-term message is supply scarcity from underinvestment and ESG pressure may keep inflation elevated for years.

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