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MacroVoices #316 Daniel Lacalle: Energy in the New War Economy

MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome Tressis Chief Economist Daniel Lacalle to the show to discuss everything from inflation to bond yields to the dollar’s role as reserve currency. https://bit.ly/3iB4fRg Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook 📈📉 https://bit.ly/3iBeepY ✅Sign up for

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 316 centers on a stagflationary macro regime: Daniel Lacalle argues the Fed and ECB are trapped between fighting inflation and supporting fragile growth, while geopolitical shocks, especially Russia-Ukraine and Europe’s energy dependence, amplify supply-side inflation. The hosts see oil, yields, and the dollar biased higher, while gold and equities are mixed but technically constructive.

Main Topics: Stagflation risk and central bank dilemma (Priority: 5/5): Daniel Lacalle argues the global economy is moving toward stagflation, with inflation staying high even as growth weakens. He says central banks are trapped: they must signal anti-inflation resolve but remain accommodative because economies and sovereign debt markets are fragile. Federal Reserve tightening path (Priority: 5/5): The discussion questions whether markets and analysts are underestimating how constrained the Fed is. Lacalle suggests the Fed may end up hiking less aggressively than the dot plot implies, because real growth is weakening while inflation is increasingly supply-driven. Energy crisis and oil market upside (Priority: 5/5): Both the interview and chart review frame energy as the key inflation driver. Oil is viewed as primarily geopolitical and potentially much higher if Russia-West tensions worsen; a de-escalation would be bearish for prices. Dollar strength and reserve-currency debate (Priority: 4/5): Eric Townsend expects more upside in the dollar in the near term, aided by the war cycle and relative global weakness. Lacalle argues sanctions on Russia raise concerns about fiat reserves, but sees no near-term alternative to the dollar as reserve currency. Europe’s structural vulnerability (Priority: 5/5): Lacalle emphasizes that Europe faces the highest stagflation risk due to high taxes, expensive energy, weak growth, and policy responses that he считает too interventionist. He warns that price caps and sector intervention will worsen long-term competitiveness. Markets: equities, gold, bonds, and commodities (Priority: 4/5): The post-game segment views equities as neutral after a short squeeze, gold as constructive but not yet decisive, silver as improving, copper and uranium as bullish, and bond yields as accelerating higher with potential for stress in fixed income.

Key Arguments: Inflation is no longer just demand-driven; supply shocks, energy costs, and geopolitical tensions can sustain inflation even in recessionary conditions. The Fed is unlikely to follow an aggressively hawkish path if growth deteriorates and global conditions worsen, despite public guidance suggesting multiple hikes. Europe is more exposed than the U.S. to stagflation because of higher energy taxes, dependence on Russian gas, and weaker external competitiveness. Oil prices can still move materially higher because the Russia-West conflict is not resolved, and the market now requires a geopolitical thesis rather than a simple supply-demand view. The U.S. dollar should remain firm in the near term, even though longer term there are concerns about its reserve-currency status. The Russian reserve seizure may prompt more distrust of fiat systems, but there is no practical substitute for the dollar because alternatives like the yuan lack convertibility, transparency, and liquidity. Gold’s chart is constructive, but its relative performance has lagged other inflation hedges; silver may offer more upside if the precious-metals complex broadens. Bond yields are rising fast enough to suggest market stress, and fixed income may be more vulnerable than equities in the near term.

Data Points: Episode number: 316 - Macro Voices episode identifier Recording date: March 24, 2022 - Episode recording date S&P 500 level: around 4,500 - Discussed as having bounced after the Fed meeting Dollar index: approaching 99 - Eric notes the dollar remains stable/strong Crude oil (May contract) high: almost 116 - Referenced during market wrap Crude oil recent low: mid-90s - Oil bounced sharply from this area Gold price: 1964 - Price at time of recording 10-year Treasury yield: approaching 2.5% - Yield rose quickly over prior two weeks Crude oil inventory change: -2.5 million barrels - Weekly U.S. crude inventory draw Cushing crude inventory change: +1.2 million barrels - Two consecutive build weeks at Cushing, Oklahoma Gasoline inventory change: -2.9 million barrels - Weekly U.S. gasoline draw Distillates inventory change: -2.1 million barrels - Weekly U.S. distillate draw U.S. production: 11.6 million barrels/day - Reported flat U.S. crude production Eurozone stagflation risk: 85% - Daniel Lacalle’s estimate Latin America stagflation risk: 80-85% - Daniel Lacalle’s estimate Russia GDP impact: loss of 11-15% in 2022 - Lacalle’s estimate for Russia's GDP decline Russia inflation estimate: 20-25% - Lacalle’s estimate for Russian inflation Russian gas imports to Europe: about 150 bcm - Europe’s dependence on Russian gas U.S. dollar share of global transactions: 41% - Lacalle cites dollar dominance in global transactions Chinese yuan share of global transactions: less than 3% / 2.7% - Used to argue there is no practical reserve-currency alternative Eurozone household electricity/gas prices: about 2x U.S. levels - Lacalle highlights Europe’s cost structure Gasoline taxes in Europe: about 50%+ of price - Explained as a major driver of European energy costs Chinese real estate contribution: about 25% of GDP - Lacalle says the property bubble is systemically important Global gold reserve share in China vs M2: less than 0.3% of M2 - Argument that gold cannot realistically replace fiat reserves Silver resistance area: $29-$30 - Patrick sees upside if gold remains positive

Pivotal Quotes: "We are likely to see a stagflation environment in the next year, in the next year and a half." — Daniel Lacalle: Summarizing his macro outlook for the U.S., Europe, and other economies "The problem I find is not about the U.S. dollar versus the yuan... there is no alternative." — Daniel Lacalle: Discussing reserve-currency concerns after sanctions on Russia "If that tension comes out of the system because there is a speedy and complete and total resolution to the Russia-Ukraine, then we're already too high on oil prices." — Patrick Ceresna: Explaining why crude oil is now primarily a geopolitical trade

Implications: The episode argues investors should prepare for persistent inflation, higher rates, and geopolitically driven commodity volatility. Europe looks especially fragile, the dollar remains favored near term, and energy exposure may matter more than traditional recession narratives.

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