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MacroVoices #430 Jim Bianco: Rate Hike On Deck

MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Bianco Research founder, Jim Bianco. They’ll discuss inflation, bond yields, precious metals, energy prices, geopolitics and more. https://bit.ly/3x7wP7E ⚫ Follow Jim Bianco on X: https://www.twitter.com/BiancoResearch ⚫ Check Out Bia

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Executive Summary: Jim Bianco argued that U.S. inflation likely bottomed around mid-2023 and is now sticky in a 3%-4% range, making Fed rate cuts unlikely before the election and leaving open the possibility of future hikes if the economy stays strong. He sees higher yields, persistent fiscal deficits, a bifurcated economy, energy and gold supported by macro forces, and markets increasingly driven by election outcomes and bond-market discipline.

Main Topics: Inflation has likely bottomed and remains sticky (Priority: 5/5): Bianco argues headline CPI bottomed around 3.0% in June 2023 and has since reaccelerated, with base effects implying inflation will remain in the 3%-4% range rather than returning smoothly to 2%. Fed policy: cuts are unlikely, hikes are possible (Priority: 5/5): Because inflation is sticky and the Fed is politically aware in an election year, Bianco thinks rate cuts are effectively off the table before November and that the next move could even be a hike if data stay firm. Higher yields and the end of the bond bull market (Priority: 5/5): He sees the 40-year bond bull market as over and expects a further move higher in Treasury yields, potentially toward 5.5% on the 10-year, with real yields likely to expand over time. Fiscal dominance and the 'Liz Truss moment' risk (Priority: 5/5): Massive deficits and government spending are, in Bianco's view, sustaining growth and inflation while setting up a future bond-market revolt that could force fiscal restraint the way UK gilts did under Liz Truss. Energy and precious metals as macro beneficiaries (Priority: 4/5): Oil is supported by resilient demand and possible China recovery, while gold is being driven by Asian/physical demand rather than Western ETF flows; both reflect a world of stickier inflation and geopolitical uncertainty. Equity market concentration and technical vulnerability (Priority: 4/5): The post-game argued that the S&P 500 and Nasdaq are highly concentrated in mega-cap winners like NVIDIA, while breadth is weak, suggesting the market may be vulnerable to summer consolidation or correction. Election risk and market outcomes (Priority: 4/5): The discussion framed the 2024 election as a major market catalyst, with Trump currently leading in polls/betting markets, but outcomes ranging from divided government to a hung election could materially affect deficits, spending, and volatility.

Key Arguments: Inflation likely bottomed in mid-2023 and is not returning to 2% without a recession. The Fed is unlikely to cut before the election because sticky inflation plus political optics make action difficult. The next Fed move could be a hike, not a cut, if growth and inflation stay firm. Federal spending near 22% of GDP and a ~6% deficit are supporting nominal growth but also preventing disinflation. The 10-year Treasury yield has room to rise further; a final capitulation move higher may still be needed before yields peak. Real yields should drift higher over time, toward pre-2008 norms, as the economy adjusts to higher nominal growth. A future fiscal crisis is more likely to be forced by the bond market than by politicians voluntarily tightening spending. Gold strength is being driven primarily by Asian/Chinese physical demand and central-bank-style reserve behavior, not Western investor enthusiasm. Oil around $80 can hold or move higher if China improves and supply remains contained; a recession would be the main bearish case. The stock market's upside is increasingly dependent on a tiny group of mega-caps, especially NVIDIA, which makes breadth and concentration a key risk. The election matters mainly through its impact on spending, deficits, and bond-market reaction rather than sector-specific party effects.

Data Points: CPI bottom: 3.0% - Bianco said headline CPI bottomed at 3.0% in June 2023. Current CPI: 3.4% - Bianco cited recent headline CPI at 3.4%. Inflation outlook: 3%-4% - Bianco said inflation is likely to remain in a 3% to 4% range. Fed funds target range: 5.25%-5.50% - Current policy rate level referenced during discussion of restrictive vs neutral policy. Market-implied June cut probability: about 1% - Bianco said the market assigns roughly a 1% chance of a June cut. U.S. budget deficit: about 6% of GDP - Used to argue fiscal policy is excessively stimulative. Federal spending: 22% of GDP - Bianco said federal spending has reached about 22% of the economy. Federal spending amount: $6.5 trillion - Referenced as annual Washington spending. Treasury yield target: 5.0%-5.5% - Bianco's medium-term target range for the 10-year yield. Prior 10-year yield peak: 5.03% - He referenced the October peak in the 10-year yield. Real yield historical average: around 2% - Bianco said pre-2009 average real yields were about 2%. Top 50% of income share of retail sales: 70% - He cited spending concentration among higher-income households. Top 70% of income share of retail sales: 85% - He cited the broader concentration of consumer spending. TSA throughput record: near 3 million travelers per day - Used as evidence of resilient upper-income travel demand. Gold price level: $2,341 to $2,400/oz area - Gold traded around these levels during the discussion and chart review. WTI crude price: $79.23/bbl - Macro scoreboard cited July WTI at this level. U.S. 10-year yield: 4.61% - Macro scoreboard cited the 10-year Treasury yield at 4.61%. S&P 500 June futures: 5,284 - Weekly macro scoreboard level as of May 29, 2024. Dollar index: 105.10 - Macro scoreboard cited the U.S. dollar index at this level. VIX: mid-14s - Post-game noted volatility had spiked back into the 14 handle. SPX breadth above 50-day MA: 37% - Post-game noted only 37% of S&P 500 stocks were above their 50-day moving average after the pullback. SPX participation at rally peak: 65% - Breadth peaked at only 65% participation on the latest new high. NVIDIA contribution to S&P gains: about 40% - Both interview and post-game emphasized the outsized impact of NVIDIA on index returns. NVIDIA market-cap comparison: more value added in one year than Amazon's entire market cap - Used to illustrate extreme concentration in mega-cap tech. Gold ETF flows: 3 years of sideways to down - Western ETF flow data were described as weak despite rising gold prices. Market odds of Trump conviction: 65%-70% - Bianco cited betting markets around Trump trial outcome. Trump polling lead: 1%-2% - Bianco said Trump led Biden by this margin in polls. Biden lead in 2020 at same point: 6%-7% - Referenced for historical comparison to current polling swing. Hung election threshold for RFK Jr.: 50% in a state - Bianco explained RFK Jr. would need to win a state outright to affect Electoral College math. Democrat convention protest estimate: up to 30,000 protesters - Used to suggest potential Chicago convention disruption. 1968 Chicago protests: 5,000 protesters - Historical comparison for potential convention unrest.

Pivotal Quotes: "The Fed is not partisan, but they are political." — Jim Bianco: Explaining why election-year timing and sticky inflation make rate cuts unlikely. "How does this end? ... the bond market puts its foot down and says, We don't want you spend any more money." — Jim Bianco: Describing a future fiscal reckoning akin to the UK Liz Truss bond-market event. "Inflation looks like it bottomed about a year ago." — Jim Bianco: His central macro call on the trajectory of U.S. inflation.

Implications: Listeners should expect sticky inflation, higher-for-longer rates, and more election-driven volatility. The biggest macro risks are fiscal excess, a bond-market revolt, and concentration risk in equities, while gold and energy remain supported by structural demand and geopolitics.

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