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MacroVoices #530 Daniel Lacalle: China and The Us Will Decide The Outcome of The Iran War

MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome, Daniel Lacalle. They’ll discuss secular inflation, precious metals, the greater risk to Europe from the energy crisis, and much more. https://bit.ly/42Ek4O5. 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4mYorwK ✅Sign up for a FRE

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Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend ([email protected]) HostDaniel Lecaille Guest

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 530 centers on the market’s sharp rally despite the collapse of Iran negotiations and an explosive oil spike. Daniel Lecaille argues that surging global liquidity is masking worsening underlying stress, especially in Europe, while Patrick and Eric frame the energy shock as a likely delayed macro event that could pressure credit, margins, inflation, and eventually equities. The discussion is broadly bullish oil/defensive sectors and cautious on Europe, gold, and growth-sensitive assets.

Main Topics: Oil shock and geopolitical stalemate (Priority: 5/5): The collapse of negotiations and fears around the Strait of Hormuz drove a huge crude rally; the panel debates whether Iran, the U.S., and China are in a waiting contest and how long the disruption can last. Liquidity masking macro stress (Priority: 5/5): Lecaille argues that rapid money supply growth is inflating asset prices even as economic damage builds beneath the surface, helping explain why equities rallied despite bad geopolitical news. Europe’s vulnerability (Priority: 5/5): Europe is portrayed as the most fragile region due to poor energy preparedness, thin fuel buffers, margin pressure, weaker consumer sentiment, and possible credit deterioration. Inflation and secular regime shift (Priority: 4/5): The conversation reinforces a view of persistent inflation driven by fiscal expansion, supply constraints, and energy scarcity rather than a temporary spike. Cross-asset reactions: gold, dollar, rates (Priority: 4/5): Gold weakened as the dollar and oil rose; the dollar is framed as a risk-off and short-squeeze move, while Treasury yields rise with inflation expectations. Trade of the Week: long U.S. financials vs short European financials (Priority: 4/5): Patrick proposes a relative-value financials trade to fade European outperformance and express a lagged macro stress view, with optional downside convexity via calls. Secondary spillovers: aviation, autos, fertilizer, uranium (Priority: 3/5): The interview highlights sector knock-ons from energy scarcity: aviation margins, auto parts supply, fertilizer costs, and the long-term bullish case for nuclear/uranium.

Key Arguments: Global money supply growth is accelerating fast enough to keep asset prices elevated even while real economic conditions deteriorate. Europe is the most exposed region because it failed to build resilience after the 2022 energy shock and now faces higher prices, weaker sentiment, and supply-chain stress. The U.S. and China have stronger ability to weather the energy shock than Europe because the U.S. is a major net energy exporter and China has large strategic stockpiles and Russian supply links. The current oil shock is likely to leave a permanently higher floor for energy prices even after the crisis ends, because spare capacity is disappearing. Gold’s selloff is explained by a stronger dollar, margin calls, and some central-bank profit taking, not by a structural end to the secular bull market. The U.S. dollar’s recent strength is mainly a risk-off/short-covering move and likely fades after the conflict ends. Financial stress will likely show up with a lag in sectors such as banking, aviation, autos, and tourism, especially in Europe. The oil market has already broken out technically and could remain elevated for weeks even if the ultimate geopolitical resolution arrives later. A long U.S. financials versus short European financials relative-value trade is favored because Europe’s macro stress should eventually surface in earnings and credit conditions.

Data Points: WTI crude oil: over $110 - Front-month WTI at recording time after the weekend negotiation collapse and oil spike. Brent crude: over $120 - Spot Brent at recording time, cited as evidence of an acute global energy shock. S&P 500 index: fresh all-time highs - Equities rallied despite the geopolitical escalation. S&P 500 week-over-week: down 4 bps to 71.35 - Macro scoreboard as of the close of Wednesday, April 29, 2026. U.S. Dollar Index: up 38 bps to 98.97 - Week-over-week scoreboard before post-game discussion of further upside gap risk. June WTI crude: up 1,497 bps to 106.88 - Weekly move showing a breakout back toward highs. June RBOB gasoline: up 1,046 bps to 3.59 - Gasoline broke out to a new all-time high. June gold: down 404 bps to 45.61 - Gold remained in corrective mode despite geopolitical tension. July copper: down 405 bps to 593 - Industrial metals softened during the week. May uranium: down 23 bps to 86.55 - Uranium pulled back modestly amid broader uncertainty. U.S. 10-year Treasury yield: up 12 bps to 443 - Yields rose as inflation expectations moved with oil. Global money supply growth: fastest since 2021 - Lecaille’s explanation for why markets can rally even as fundamentals worsen. U.S. net oil exports: 2.8 million barrels a day - Used to argue the U.S. is now a shock absorber, not an amplifier. Iran GDP/external exposure: 25% of GDP and 60% of government revenues through the Strait of Hormuz - Illustrates Iran’s own vulnerability in a prolonged closure. European consumer sentiment: lowest level since the pandemic - Cited as evidence of rising stress in Europe. Inflation in Iran: 60% - Used to describe how damaged the Iranian economy already is. EUFN vs XLF performance: EUFN roughly +59% vs XLF about +8% since start of 2025 - Basis for the relative-value financials trade. XLF share price: around 51.71 - Used to size the long leg of the trade. EUFN share price: near 36.99 - Used to size the short leg of the trade. XLF/EUFN hedge ratio: roughly 0.72 shares of XLF per 1 share of EUFN - Dollar-neutral construction of the pair trade. XLF call option: October 16, $45 strike, ~85-cent delta, trading around $8.26 - Alternative convex long leg to reduce downside exposure. DXY gap level: 99.38 - Patrick notes an unfilled gap expected to be tested on renewed geopolitical stress. WTI buy level cited: $79 - Patrick says that was the dip-buy level two weeks earlier before the surge to over $110.

Pivotal Quotes: "I think that there is a fundamental reason is that money supply growth is soaring." — Daniel Lecaille: Explaining why markets can rally despite worsening geopolitical and economic conditions. "The big problem is in Europe." — Daniel Lecaille: Summarizing where he sees the greatest vulnerability from the energy shock. "The U.S. dollar in this crisis has behaved like a petro currency." — Daniel Lecaille: Describing the dollar’s correlation with rising oil prices and risk-off flows.

Implications: Listeners should expect a delayed but potentially powerful macro hit from energy scarcity, led by Europe and rate-sensitive sectors. The near-term market may stay distorted by liquidity and short covering, but inflation, yields, and relative-value opportunities in financials remain key watchpoints.

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