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Markets Update: "Investor Sobriety" Carries into Q3

Tony Pasquariello of Goldman Sachs' Global Markets Division recaps the historic market rally of the second quarter and talks about how institutional investors are viewing Q3 and the remainder of 2020. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Executive Summary: Tony Pasquarello said Q2 delivered a powerful, broad-based equity rally after the worst Q1 on record, with growth, cyclical, and defensive stocks all participating while bond yields barely moved. He described investors as still cautious, but argued policy support, positive seasonality, and not-overstretched positioning could extend the rally in Q3, while Q4 may bring greater volatility due to the U.S. election and COVID/vaccine developments.

Main Topics: Q2 equity rebound and market breadth (Priority: 5/5): Markets staged a spectacular recovery in the second quarter, led by cyclical laggards from Q1, while tech also remained strong. Breadth was unusually broad, with more than 90% of S&P 500 stocks positive. Bond market stability amid risk rally (Priority: 4/5): Despite a sharp rally in equities, U.S. 10-year yields barely moved, highlighting an unusual disconnect between risk assets and rates during the quarter. Institutional investor sentiment remains cautious (Priority: 5/5): Tony said institutional investors have grown more constructive since March, but most remain cautious and not fully convinced the rally will continue, supported by survey and anecdotal evidence. Drivers for a potential Q3 extension (Priority: 5/5): He identified policy support, lower real rates, and favorable seasonal patterns as reasons the rally could continue in the near term, especially for secular growth stocks. Growth vs. value leadership (Priority: 4/5): Growth stocks continued to outperform value, with technology and healthcare leading over more traditional sectors. Clients are waiting for clearer signs that the global economic recovery is durable before rotating into value. Q4 volatility risk from election and COVID (Priority: 5/5): Tony warned the fourth quarter could be especially volatile because of the U.S. presidential election and ongoing uncertainty around vaccines, second waves, and economic reopening.

Key Arguments: The second quarter’s market rally was exceptional because it followed an extremely weak Q1, but the breadth of the move made it more meaningful than a narrow rebound. Institutional investors have improved their outlooks, but the market still lacks full conviction; cautious positioning suggests the rally may not be exhausted yet. Policy remains the dominant market force, with expected Fed balance-sheet expansion and another fiscal package likely to support equities. Lower real interest rates are a tailwind for stocks, especially secular growth companies. Seasonality is supportive: July has historically been a strong month for equities and especially for the Nasdaq. Growth continues to outperform value, and a true value rotation likely requires stronger evidence of durable economic improvement and perhaps vaccine progress. The fourth quarter may bring a major repricing because the U.S. election can alter tax, regulation, and trade policy, while COVID developments remain unresolved.

Data Points: S&P 500 return in Q2: +21% - Tony described the second quarter rally as a 99th percentile return and the strongest quarter since Q4 1998. Q1 stock market performance: Worst Q1 in modern history - Used as the low base from which the Q2 rebound occurred. S&P 500 positive stock breadth in Q2: Over 90% - Indicates the rally was broad-based across the index. U.S. 10-year Treasury yield change in Q2: -4 basis points - Shows bond yields barely moved despite the equity surge. Survey respondents expecting S&P higher by year-end: 1 in 3 - Quick poll of the professional trading community showed lingering caution. Expected new fiscal package: 4th package / $1.5 trillion - Tony said a fourth fiscal package was expected within a month, adding substantial spending. S&P historical July strength since 1950: 57% of the time higher; median return +120 bps - Seasonality data cited as a supportive near-term factor. Subsequent quarters after a +15% quarterly S&P rally since 1940: 9 out of 9 positive; median return 8.8% - Presented as evidence that strong quarterly rallies often persist. Nasdaq July performance over past 15 years: Positive in 12 of 12 years; average return nearly 4% - Used to argue July is especially favorable for growth stocks.

Pivotal Quotes: "Q2 was a spectacular quarter for the stock market." — Tony Pasquarello: Opening characterization of the second quarter rally. "The market and market breadth was truly superb." — Tony Pasquarello: Explaining that the rally was broad-based, not concentrated in a few names. "If 2020 has taught us anything so far, Jake, it's that the low volatility period that characterized the prior five years is very, very clearly behind us now." — Tony Pasquarello: Concluding point on the likelihood of higher future volatility.

Implications: Near-term equity momentum may persist if policy support and seasonal tailwinds continue, but investors should expect larger swings later in the year, especially around the U.S. election and COVID-related developments.

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