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Markets Update: What Investors Are Watching

As volatility continues in the public markets, Meena Flynn of Goldman Sachs’ Consumer and Investment Management Division gives her analysis on the latest swings and explains how investors with permanent capital are positioning themselves. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoice

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Executive Summary: Mina Flynn described how Goldman’s clients were navigating the COVID-19 shock: focusing less on near-term bad data and more on shutdown duration, medical progress, and policy support. She highlighted opportunities in equities, investment-grade credit, select high yield, preferreds, and private capital, while noting unprecedented volatility, remote-work adaptation, and the election’s reduced but still relevant market role.

Main Topics: Role and client mandate in Global Market Solutions (Priority: 5/5): Flynn explained that her team serves private clients and family offices with customized advisory, structuring, execution, and access to equity, credit, and private company investments. Working remotely during extreme market volatility (Priority: 4/5): She discussed the operational shift to working from home during one of the most volatile periods on record, emphasizing rapid firm-wide preparation and improved long-term flexibility. Market dislocation, macro forecasts, and what investors are watching (Priority: 5/5): The discussion centered on the speed of the selloff and rebound, with investors looking past headline economic prints to virus containment, reopening timing, and fiscal response. Equity positioning in a long-term capital framework (Priority: 5/5): Flynn argued that long-term investors should avoid market timing and use volatility to add exposure to strong balance sheets, durable dividends, M&A-capable firms, and healthcare beneficiaries. Credit market bifurcation and central bank support (Priority: 5/5): She described a split between supported and unsupported credits, with investment grade more constructive due to Fed backing and high yield facing wider spreads and elevated default risk. Preferreds and the election outlook (Priority: 3/5): Flynn noted preferred securities remain attractive to income-focused clients and said the election matters less than before, though GDP, approval ratings, and policy expectations still influence positioning.

Key Arguments: The market is focused less on weak economic data and more on shutdown length, public-health progress, and the timing of consumer re-engagement. Long-term investors should not try to time the market; missing just a handful of strong days can erase returns over time. Current volatility creates entry points into high-quality equities with strong balance sheets, sustainable dividends, and secular tailwinds. Investment-grade credit is more constructive because Fed support and issuer deleveraging are improving the risk/reward profile. High yield is more uncertain because defaults are likely to be wide-ranging and spreads are expected to widen further. Private capital and dry powder remain important, allowing firms and investors to continue financing companies even as public markets repriced sharply. Preferreds are relatively fairly valued, and U.S. banks are better positioned than in the financial crisis to support preferred dividends. The election is not the dominant market driver right now, but weak GDP and rising unemployment could shift investor attention toward policy outcomes under a Democratic administration.

Data Points: Market volatility in March: Most volatility ever in the month of March - Flynn described first-quarter market behavior during the COVID-19 shock. Drawdown from peak: 20% down from peak - She said the market fell 20% from its peak at unprecedented speed. Speed vs. 1929: Twice as fast as in 1929 - Compared the current selloff speed with the 1929 market decline. Three-week rebound: SPX rallied back by 20% - She noted a sharp rebound over the prior three weeks. Best weekly performance: One of the best weeks for the market since the 1970s - Used to illustrate the size of the rebound and investor whipsaw. US Q2 GDP forecast: -34% - Goldman economists’ forecast for second-quarter US GDP. Economic bottom: April - Goldman’s view on when the economy would bottom before slowly recovering. Unemployment forecast: 15% - Expected later in the quarter. S&P earnings forecast: -33% year over year - Expected decline from the prior year. COVID-19 vaccine timing: ~18 months out at least - Flynn’s estimate of when a vaccine might arrive. US consumer share of GDP: 70% - Used to explain why consumer demand and fiscal support are critical. Fiscal stimulus announced: About $2 trillion - She said this may still be insufficient if social distancing persists. US economy size: $21 trillion - Context for judging the scale of stimulus. Small business paycheck protection program: $350 billion initially provided - She noted it was not yet fully utilized. NYC budget reduction: $1.3 billion - Example of state/local fiscal stress already emerging. 15-year market return: 7.8% per annum - Used to argue against market timing. Best-day risk: Missing the 20 best days would leave no money made - Illustrated the danger of being out of the market. Private credit dry powder: $240 billion - Estimated capital available to support credit opportunities. March investment-grade issuance: $260 billion - All-time record new issuance as companies shored up balance sheets. High-yield default forecast range: 5% to 25% - Market participants’ expected default range for the year. Base-case high-yield default forecast: 13% - Goldman’s base case tied to current GDP assumptions. Secondary-market deals: 11 deals priced this week; 5 the prior week - Evidence of continued capital markets activity and demand.

Pivotal Quotes: "The market's already prepared for negative numbers." — Mina Flynn: On why investors are looking past bad economic data toward reopening and policy signals. "Timing the market in the past hasn't been a good strategy, and we don't think it's going to be one going forward." — Mina Flynn: On how long-term, permanent-capital investors should approach the equity selloff. "The key word in credit is bifurcation." — Mina Flynn: Her framing of credit-market opportunities and risks across supported vs. unsupported issuers.

Implications: For investors, the message is to focus on quality, liquidity, and policy support rather than near-term headlines. For markets, recovery will hinge on virus control, reopening confidence, and continued fiscal/central-bank backstops.

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