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Medium's "Shampoo Effect," and Tesla, coming undone?

The hosts opine on Medium, L'Oreal, and Quora. Scott critiques WeWork's EBITDA reporting, as well as the final GoT plot. Kara's back from Canada and her interview with Ev Williams, and now gearing up for the Code conference in Arizona. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastch

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Executive Summary: Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss the future of technology through a “human enhancement” lens: AI should augment people rather than replace them. They analyze Medium, Quora, DuckDuckGo, Tesla, Uber, WeWork, Google Glass, and Game of Thrones, while also weighing political power, Trump, Pelosi, impeachment, and the 2020 Democratic field. The conversation repeatedly returns to valuation discipline, responsible tech, and the need for strong regulators and institutions.

Main Topics: Human-enhancing technology vs. AI replacement (Priority: 5/5): Scott argues the real opportunity is 'organic intelligence'—tools that amplify skilled humans rather than substitute for them. He uses Medium, Quora, and L'Oréal as examples of technology scaling human expertise and improving outcomes. Medium, Quora, and human-powered platforms (Priority: 4/5): The hosts discuss platforms that elevate creators or experts. Medium is framed as a positive, subscription-led home for writers, while Quora is described as a human-powered search engine with strong intent-based advertising potential. Valuation skepticism: Tesla, Uber, and WeWork (Priority: 5/5): Scott criticizes inflated tech valuations and says Tesla is unravelling, Uber is overvalued post-IPO, and WeWork has weak fundamentals and questionable accounting. He sees a broader 'hallucination phase' ending in markets. Regulation, competition, and tech power (Priority: 4/5): They praise Margrethe Vestager and DuckDuckGo as counterweights to monopolistic tech power. The discussion emphasizes behavioral advertising, monopoly risk, and the need for regulators to preserve competition and consumer choice. Politics, Trump, Pelosi, and impeachment (Priority: 4/5): The hosts pivot to Washington, praising Pelosi's strategic skill and questioning impeachment as mostly ceremonial without Senate conviction. They also discuss the 2020 Democratic field, with Warren and Harris seen as substantive contenders but Biden and Sanders leading due to electoral pragmatism. Pop culture and Game of Thrones backlash (Priority: 2/5): A long comedic segment debates the Game of Thrones finale, with Scott criticizing the ending as reinforcing patriarchal tropes and Kara objecting to Daenerys being framed as the villain. The segment serves as a foil to broader complaints about public priorities.

Key Arguments: Technology’s best use is to enhance human capabilities, not replace humans; tools should scale expertise and judgment. Medium succeeds because it gives writers more oxygen and keeps the experience positive and supportive. Quora has value because it captures intent and expert nuance, which can be monetized with contextual and sponsored-expert advertising. Behavioral advertising remains far more lucrative than contextual advertising because it can target people by observed intent and profile, not just page context. Tesla’s talent drain and missed promises signal structural weakness; Scott predicts the stock could fall below $100 and perhaps be acquired. Uber and WeWork are treated as examples of inflated private-market narratives that do not match unit economics or durable network effects. Margrethe Vestager represents the need for countervailing power against big tech and could become a strong EU leader. Impeachment is unlikely to succeed in the Senate and may distract from winning the election and advancing legislation. Pelosi is portrayed as a highly effective political operator who consistently outmaneuvers Trump. The Democrats’ strongest candidates are the ones with substantive policy, but older white male candidates lead because voters prioritize perceived electability over purity.

Data Points: SAS anniversary: 50 years - SAS ad copy notes the company is celebrating 50 years in data and AI. SoFi members: Over 580,000 - SoFi ad states how many members have refinanced. SoFi refinanced volume: More than $50 billion - SoFi ad states total refinancing volume. Tesla share price at prediction: About $300/share - Scott says Tesla was around $300 when the prediction was made. Tesla share price at episode time: Below $200/share - Scott notes Tesla closed below $200 that day. Tesla production estimate: About 300,000–350,000 cars this year - Scott contrasts Tesla output with Ford's volume. Ford production estimate: 7 million cars - Used to compare Tesla’s scale against a traditional automaker. Quora monthly active users: 200 million - Scott cites Quora’s user base to support valuation potential. DuckDuckGo market share: About 1% - Used to illustrate that contextual/privacy-focused search can still have meaningful scale. Uber implied value cited: $35 billion - Scott says Uber would be hard to justify even at this level after its decline. WeWork negative EBITDA: Negative 100% EBITDA - Scott jokes that WeWork’s economics are so poor they set a record. Potential WeWork valuation: $40 billion - Scott references the company’s fundraising valuation target. Google Glass launch criticism: 2013-era product flop reference - Scott jokes Google Glass is more of a social/sexual deterrent than a wearable.

Pivotal Quotes: "The whole world's focused on replacing humans. That's not the key. The key is to enhance humans with technology." — Scott Galloway: Core thesis of the discussion on AI and the future of work. "I think the bigger opportunity is what I refer to as organic intelligence." — Scott Galloway: Explains his preference for human-augmented technology over automation-only narratives. "Community-based EBITDA." — Scott Galloway: A sarcastic critique of WeWork's unconventional accounting language.

Implications: Listeners are urged to think beyond AI hype and ask how technology can augment people, improve services, and reward substance over scale. The episode also warns that regulation, valuation discipline, and political competence matter more as tech power concentrates.

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With great power, comes great scrutiny. Every Tuesday and Friday, journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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