Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Michael Mauboussin - Sharpening Investor & Executive Toolkits - [Invest Like the Best, EP.308]

My guest this week is Michael Mauboussin. Many of you will know Michael and his work well. He’s Head of Consilient Research at Counterpoint Global, one of the sharpest investment minds I know, and a frequent guest on this show. In this discussion, we go deep into his recent work on market share, ret

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Executive Summary: Patrick O'Shaughnessy and Michael Mauboussin examine market share, markups, ROIC, and capital allocation, arguing that investors should focus on dynamic industry structure, intangibles, and value creation rather than static ratios. The episode reframes competitive advantage as an evolving process shaped by market concentration, willingness to pay/sell, and disciplined resource allocation.

Main Topics: Market share as a strategic signal (Priority: 5/5): Market share data can reveal industry structure, entry/exit, and competitive dynamics. Market concentration and winner-take-most markets (Priority: 4/5): Concentration often rises through consolidation or breakout leaders, but can also reverse. Value stick framework (Priority: 5/5): Value creation depends on willingness to pay, price, cost, and willingness to sell. Markups and superstar firms (Priority: 5/5): Observed markup growth weakens after accounting for intangibles and is driven within industries. ROIC with intangible adjustments (Priority: 5/5): Capitalizing intangibles materially changes returns, strategy classification, and factor signals. Capital allocation and shareholder value (Priority: 4/5): Great allocators adapt by situation, balancing M&A, buybacks, dividends, and investment. AI and future disruption (Priority: 3/5): AI may reshape moats and labor, but winners and value capture remain unclear.

Key Arguments: Market share stability and entry/exit are better tools than raw shares for judging competition. High concentration does not reliably imply high profitability; market share often predicts profit better. Willingness to pay should be the strategic target, not monetization alone. Network effects and complements raise willingness to pay by increasing product value. Markups rose after 1980, but much of the effect disappears when intangibles are treated as investment. The apparent 'superstar firm' effect is largely a within-industry phenomenon. Intangible spending has become a much larger share of investment and changes ROIC dramatically. Great capital allocation is situational; the best managers avoid rigid policy and allocate toward long-term value per share.

Data Points: Market share stability measure: absolute average change in market shares over five-year periods - Used by Bruce Greenwald to gauge how much industry shares shift over time Google search market share: 85% to 90% - Illustration of winner-take-most dominance in internet search U.S. auto industry concentration in 1960s: three-quarters of the market share - Example of a historically concentrated industry that later became less concentrated Markup period: 1955 to 1980 - Markups were relatively low and stable in this era Markup trend: since 1980 - Markups show an up-and-to-the-right pattern in the standard accounting view Output elasticity in markup formula: 0.85 - Approximate factor used in the simplified markup calculation Intangible investments vs. capex in 1985: 0.7 times capex - Estimated level of intangible investment relative to capital expenditures Intangible investments vs. capex in 2021: 1.6 times capex - Estimated level of intangible investment relative to capital expenditures Snowflake ROIC (traditional): negative 416% - Example showing how early-stage software economics look under standard ROIC Snowflake ROIC (adjusted): 3% - ROIC after capitalizing part of intangible investment Microsoft ROIC (unadjusted/adjusted range): 94% / 34% - Illustrates how ROIC changes depending on goodwill and intangible treatment Buybacks in the latest year discussed: just a shade under $1.1 trillion - Corporate America repurchased a very large amount of stock Stock-based compensation account: negative $250 billion - Shown as part of equity issuance / financing activity context Total spending estimate for 2021: $7.1 trillion - Overall corporate spending across the U.S. market in the capital allocation report Real-rate move on the 10-year: from negative 100 basis points to positive 120 basis points - Backdrop change that affected asset pricing and capital allocation conditions Equity risk premium (Jan. 1, 2022): 5.75% - Aswath Damodaran estimate cited in the discussion Expected inflation component: 250 basis points - Used with the equity risk premium to estimate real expected returns Capital allocation inertia: 98% of companies were below the optimal level - Academic finding on how rarely firms optimally reallocate CapEx across business units

Pivotal Quotes: "don't focus on monetization. Focus on increasing willingness to pay because the monetization will follow." — Michael Mauboussin: Advice to entrepreneurs on value creation and pricing power "The answer to every capital allocation question is, it depends" — Michael Mauboussin: Core principle for evaluating buybacks, M&A, dividends, and investment "the answer you're going to get is essentially based on the question you posed" — Michael Mauboussin: Explaining how ROIC changes materially depending on accounting treatment

Implications: The unresolved challenge is measurement: investors should update models for intangibles, then test whether share gains, returns, and allocation shifts persist across cycles.

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