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More hearings for big tech, GameStop stock surge (again), and predictions come true

Kara and Scott talk about deals reached between Facebook and Australia as Facebook, Google and Twitter prepare to testify in front of Congress. They also discuss the new surge of GameStop stock. In listener mail we get a question from a Texan about how tech companies are going to be looking at their

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Executive Summary: The episode opens with Kara Swisher’s frustrating attempt to book a COVID vaccine, turning into a broader critique of broken public infrastructure and digital inequity. The hosts then examine Facebook’s Australia news dispute, arguing that Big Tech’s response shows poor crisis management and underscores the need for regulation. Later, they unpack the GameStop/Robinhood frenzy as a mix of volatility, inequality, and platform incentives, before closing with Texas power failures, migration, and Scott’s predictions about Goldman Sachs, subscription models, and space.

Main Topics: COVID vaccine access and broken public infrastructure (Priority: 5/5): Kara recounts a difficult, confusing vaccination signup process, using it as a case study in how poorly designed government systems exclude older and less tech-savvy people. The discussion broadens into a call for investment in public infrastructure and national service. Facebook, Australia, and Big Tech crisis management (Priority: 5/5): The hosts discuss Facebook’s clash with Australia over paying for news content and use it to criticize Facebook’s refusal to acknowledge the problem, accept responsibility, or overcorrect. They contrast this with Google’s more effective response and connect the issue to antitrust and future regulation. GameStop, Robinhood, and market volatility (Priority: 5/5): Scott frames the GameStop surge as potentially an organized, sophisticated 'honest pump' and argues that volatility benefits younger investors while threatening incumbent wealth. He criticizes Robinhood’s incentives and warns that day trading often destroys capital. Generational wealth, inequality, and market structure (Priority: 4/5): The conversation links meme-stock behavior and tech regulation to broader income inequality and the transfer of wealth from young and middle-income people to the wealthy. Scott emphasizes that policy and platform design often protect existing asset holders. Texas power grid, deregulation, and corporate migration (Priority: 4/5): A listener asks whether the Texas energy crisis will deter companies from relocating there. The hosts say wealthy individuals may continue moving for taxes and sunshine, but argue the episode reveals the costs of deregulation and underinvestment in infrastructure. Predictions: Goldman Sachs, subscription models, and strategic stagnation (Priority: 4/5): Scott predicts Goldman Sachs could rise sharply if it embraces subscription revenue and vertical integration, arguing the firm is undervalued despite its strong brand and talent. He says leadership inertia and muscle memory are holding it back. Identity, LGBTQ visibility, and social change (Priority: 3/5): The hosts react to data suggesting more young people identify as LGBTQ, arguing this reflects greater comfort and visibility rather than coercion. They contrast the current moment with the hostility and danger faced by earlier generations.

Key Arguments: Government infrastructure should be treated like essential infrastructure: if digital systems are broken, vulnerable people are blocked from vital services like vaccination. Facebook worsened its Australia dispute by failing to acknowledge the real problem, publicly own it, or offer a serious corrective response. Google handled similar pressure better by recognizing the issue and moving quickly with a substantial financial commitment. GameStop’s volatility is not just retail rebellion; it may involve more sophisticated actors using social media and algorithmic attention to move markets. Day trading is structurally stacked against ordinary users because they are competing against professional traders, supercomputers, and institutions with much more capital. Volatility and market disruption can benefit younger investors and new entrants by challenging entrenched wealth and making room for creative destruction. Robinhood’s business model aligns with engagement, not fiduciary duty, because it profits from activity, clicks, and order flow. Texas’s low-tax, low-regulation model attracts wealthy movers, but its energy failures show the hidden costs of weak public investment. Goldman Sachs could unlock major value by moving toward consumer subscriptions and more recurring revenue instead of relying mainly on transactional deal fees. LGBTQ visibility among young people is a positive development and should not be reframed as coercion; earlier generations faced far greater stigma and danger.

Data Points: Vaccine rate in the U.S.: about 2 million people vaccinated - Scott cites the pace of U.S. vaccine rollout during the COVID discussion. U.S. global vaccine ranking: number 6 - Scott says the U.S. is doing better than all but five nations in vaccine rollout. SoFi refinance rate: as low as 4.24% APR - Sponsor message for student loan refinancing. SoFi member base: over 580,000 members - Sponsor message cites existing members who have refinanced with SoFi. SoFi refinancing total: more than $50 billion - Sponsor message cites total amount refinanced. Journalism job decline: cut in half in the last 30 years - Scott uses this to illustrate how Facebook’s dominance hurt media economics. GameStop stock move: up 250% in the last 24 hours - Kara introduces the GameStop surge as the big story. Twitter share price: about $79 - During Scott’s prediction discussion, the stock price is referenced as having risen significantly. Goldman Sachs potential upside: 50% to 80% - Scott argues Goldman could rise sharply if it adopts a subscription/vertical strategy. Goldman Sachs relative valuation: worth less than Wells Fargo, PayPal, Square, and Airbnb - Scott uses this comparison to argue Goldman is undervalued. Texas and California taxes on Musk’s gain: $19.5 billion - Scott estimates California taxes on Musk’s unrealized $150 billion gain would be $19.5 billion. Elon Musk unrealized gain: $150 billion - Scott uses Musk as an example of a wealthy person who benefits from moving to Texas. Texas power grid structure: 3 grids - Kara notes the U.S. has Western, Eastern, and Texas grids. J&J vaccine efficacy: 72% - Kara notes Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine efficacy against COVID-19. High school valedictorians: 7 out of 10 are women - Scott uses this to support his point about young talent and gender shifts in education. Young people’s wealth share: 9% versus 19% - Scott contrasts current young-generation wealth share with that of older cohorts.

Pivotal Quotes: "This has brought, shined a real bright light on things we knew existed." — Scott Galloway: On the pandemic exposing infrastructure and inequity "Three things in crisis management. Acknowledge the issue. Top guy or gal seen as the person addressing it. And over correct." — Scott Galloway: His framework for evaluating Facebook’s response in Australia "The thing that worries me most about all of this is not Reddit. The thing that worries me most is Elon Musk." — Scott Galloway: On market power, personality, and volatility

Implications: Listeners are left with a clear warning: broken public systems and platform incentives shape access, markets, and opportunity. The episode suggests that better infrastructure, smarter regulation, and more responsible corporate strategy are essential to prevent inequality and chaos from deepening.

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With great power, comes great scrutiny. Every Tuesday and Friday, journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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