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Murder Mystery

Why are so many of us drawn to horror, gore, and true crime? Why do we crane our necks to see the scene of a crash on the highway? Psychologist Coltan Scrivner says that our natural morbid curiosity serves a purpose. We talk with Coltan about our fascination with tales of murder and mayhem, and what

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Executive Summary: This episode of Hidden Brain explores the paradox of why humans are drawn to stories of violence, gore, and danger despite professing a desire to be good and kind. Host Shankar Vedantam and researcher Colton Scrivener discuss 'morbid curiosity'—an evolutionary trait that compels us to learn about threats through safe, fictional simulations like horror movies and true crime. They present evidence that such curiosity is not pathological but adaptive, offering benefits such as psychological resilience, emotional regulation, and social bonding. The episode challenges stereotypes that horror fans are unempathetic, citing studies that find the opposite may be true, and frames our attraction to dark content as a form of 'predator inspection' that helps us prepare for real-world dangers.

Main Topics: The Paradox of Morbid Curiosity (Priority: 5/5): Explores the tension between our moral aspirations to be good and our attraction to violent, gory entertainment. Despite wanting to be kind, we are drawn to stories of murder, betrayal, and horror. Evolutionary Origins of Threat-Seeking (Priority: 4/5): Uses examples from Darwin's work with monkeys and predator inspection in gazelles to argue that morbid curiosity is an evolutionarily conserved behavior that helps animals learn about threats. Evidence for Morbid Curiosity in Humans (Priority: 5/5): Presents key studies: the 1970s Wisconsin murder leading to increased interest in a violent film, the 1990s Mortal Kombat sales comparison (violent version outsold the tamer one), and the surge in popularity of the movie 'Contagion' during the COVID-19 pandemic. Psychological Benefits of Horror and Morbid Curiosity (Priority: 5/5): Discusses research showing horror fans exhibited greater psychological resilience during the pandemic, experienced less distress, and showed more positive optimism. Also explains the 'fighting fire with fire' mechanism where scary content helps break cycles of rumination. Social Functions of Scary Entertainment (Priority: 4/5): Explores how horror movies and haunted attractions serve as social bonding experiences, allowing people to observe how others respond to fear, test cooperative potential, and fulfill cultural expectations (e.g., 'snuggle theory' of horror). Debunking Stereotypes About Horror Fans (Priority: 4/5): Contrasts public perception (horror fans seen as unkind, unempathetic, depraved) with empirical findings showing they score similarly or higher on empathy measures, especially cognitive empathy. Notes the irony of horror-themed restaurants with vegan/vegetarian options. Morbid Curiosity as Adaptive Learning (Priority: 3/5): Argues that consuming scary stories is a safe way to learn about dangers, akin to predator inspection but without real risk. Stories provide first-person perspectives that are more memorable and easier to process than factual information.

Key Arguments: Morbid curiosity is not pathological but an evolved trait that helps us gather information about potential threats in a low-risk manner. The enduring popularity of violent, scary content is explained by its function as a 'simulation' that allows us to practice coping with danger, build resilience, and regulate negative emotions. Empirical studies contradict the stereotype that horror fans are unempathetic or violent; instead, they may exhibit higher cognitive empathy and prosocial behavior (e.g., helping 'pleaders' in haunted houses). Scary entertainment serves social functions: it facilitates bonding, reveals others' trustworthiness in threatening situations, and allows us to fulfill cultural scripts (e.g., protective roles). Humans are storytelling creatures who learn best through narrative, making fictional accounts of danger more compelling and effective than dry factual information.

Data Points: Popularity of the movie 'Contagion' (Google Trends index): 6 (2019) -> 84 (Jan 2020) -> 100 (March 2020) - Demonstrated surge in interest in a pandemic-related fictional story during the real COVID-19 pandemic, illustrating morbid curiosity in action. Sales comparison of Mortal Kombat versions (Sega Genesis vs. Super Nintendo): Sega version (with red blood) outsold Nintendo version (gray 'sweat') 'by several factors' - Natural experiment showing consumers preferred the more violent version of the same video game. Psychological resilience during COVID-19: Horror fans vs. non-fans: Horror fans experienced 'less psychological distress' (anxiety, insomnia, depression) and higher 'positive resilience' - Controlled for age, income, sex, and Big Five personality traits; result was unique to horror fans. Predator inspection frequency in gazelles: More common in larger groups, when further from predator, and among adolescents/sub-adults - Analogous to human behavior of seeking threat-related information when feeling safer or in groups. Popularity of true crime podcasts: Consistently in top 5-10 most popular podcast genres - Illustrates broad cultural appetite for stories of crime and violence.

Pivotal Quotes: "Monkey after monkey, with head raised high and turned on one side, could not resist taking a momentary peep into the upright bag at the dreadful object lying quietly at the bottom." — Charles Darwin (quoted by Colton Scrivener): Darwin's description of rhesus macaques repeatedly peeking into a bag containing a snake, illustrating predator inspection and morbid curiosity in animals. "Our next movie is Friday the 13th, the final chapter, an immoral and reprehensible piece of trash that sold more tickets on its opening weekend than any other movie so far in 1984. And that is a very, very depressing commentary." — Roger Ebert (quoted by Colton Scrivener): Example of cultural condemnation of horror film consumers, contrasting with later findings that horror fans are not depraved. "In our industry, we have what are called pleaders... they almost always draw in with their cries of help, they almost always draw in these people who are at the haunted house to come help them." — Ben Armstrong (quoted by Colton Scrivener): Evidence that horror fans exhibit prosocial, empathetic behavior (helping 'victims' in haunted houses) contradicting negative stereotypes.

Implications: This episode challenges moral panic around violent media, suggesting that engaging with scary content may be psychologically healthy and socially beneficial. For listeners, it offers permission to enjoy dark stories without guilt, while for content creators and mental health professionals, it highlights potential therapeutic applications of controlled fear exposure for anxiety and resilience-building.

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