All-In with Chamath Jason Sacks And Friedberg

Naveen Rao: 4D Computing, AI's Energy Wall & Beating Biology

📅 September 21, 2026 ⏱️ 22m

(0:00) Welcome Naveen Rao (4:45) Is energy really the problem? The cost of a token, power contracts & the gap to close (10:24) Cutting out the middleman: abstractions, dynamical systems & a new kind of machine (19:46) Chamath joins: the path to product, porting existing models & building