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NBC's streaming service launches without Roku or Amazon Fire TV, Apple wins a tax battle, and a prediction on Netflix earnings

Kara and Scott talk about the launch of NBC's new streaming service and why it isn't on major streaming devices. They also discuss Apple's big tax battle win in the European Union and what it may mean for upcoming antitrust hearings in the United States. In Listener Mail, Kara and Sco

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Executive Summary: The episode covered pandemic-era business and tech shifts: Walmart’s mask policy as a signal of private-sector leadership; the political and branding fallout from Trump, Fauci, and Goya; the security risks of a president using Twitter; the launch and likely struggle of Peacock amid platform disputes; Apple’s EU tax win and the need for antitrust/tax reform; the mental-health upside of telehealth and other remote tools; and a bullish outlook for Netflix on the back of surging demand and falling production costs.

Main Topics: Walmart, masks, and the vacuum of leadership (Priority: 5/5): The hosts discuss Walmart requiring masks for U.S. customers and frame it as an example of major companies stepping in where federal leadership is lacking during the pandemic. Science, Fauci, and political infighting (Priority: 5/5): They criticize the administration’s attacks on Dr. Fauci and describe it as part of a broader war on science and accountability, worsening the public-health response. Brand politics and the Goya backlash (Priority: 4/5): They analyze Goya’s CEO aligning with Trump, arguing the publicity is more negative than helpful for an established brand and that boycotts often create more noise than sales damage. Twitter, hacking, and presidential security (Priority: 4/5): The hosts debate the risk of the president using Twitter as a primary communications channel, especially given hacks and the possibility of false or destabilizing messages. Peacock’s launch and the streaming platform power shift (Priority: 5/5): They argue Peacock is late, confusingly priced, and lacks a breakout hook, while device platforms like Roku and Amazon Fire TV hold significant distribution power over streamers. Apple’s EU tax victory and corporate tax avoidance (Priority: 5/5): They discuss Apple winning its EU tax case, calling it a major win for Apple and a loss for regulators, while using the case to argue for antitrust reform and an international tax treaty. Telehealth and other positive tech uses (Priority: 4/5): In response to a listener question, they identify telehealth, meditation, fitness trackers, and remote work tools as technologies with real psychological and practical benefits, especially during COVID-19. Predictions: TikTok spin-off, media startups, and Netflix earnings (Priority: 5/5): They predict TikTok will spin off in the U.S. to reduce China-related concerns, a new media venture may emerge from disgruntled writers, and Netflix will surge past $600 per share after earnings.

Key Arguments: Companies like Walmart can exercise more practical influence than the federal government during a crisis because they reach millions of consumers directly. Trump-era infighting and attacks on Fauci undermine pandemic response and reflect a broader hostility toward science. The Goya CEO’s Trump alignment is ethically dubious and likely more negative than positive for a mature brand. The president should not rely on a hackable platform like Twitter for urgent national-security communications. Peacock is disadvantaged by late entry, confusing pricing, and lack of a must-watch content hook; distribution control now matters as much as content. Roku and Amazon Fire TV have outsized leverage because streaming services need access to their platforms and data. Apple’s EU tax structure exemplifies legal tax avoidance that advantages massive corporations over smaller businesses. The real fix for corporate tax games is stronger antitrust enforcement plus an international tax treaty tying taxes to where revenue is earned. Telehealth and remote services can lower friction, expand access, and improve mental-health care. Netflix is uniquely positioned because demand for content is up while production costs are down, creating an unusual earnings surge.

Data Points: Walmart mask policy: U.S. customers required to wear face masks - Used as an example of corporate leadership during the pandemic Roku/Amazon Fire TV market share: 70% combined - Device platforms discussed in relation to Peacock distribution Streaming player reach: about 80 million active users - Audience reach of Roku and Amazon Fire TV combined Peacock pricing tiers: 3 tiers - Free with ads, $5 with some ads, and $10 ad-free/original content Apple tax case amount: $14.8 billion - EU Commission’s original claim of unpaid taxes Tax case period: 2003 to 2014 - Years covered by the EU ruling against Apple Netflix consumption growth: up 38% year on year - Demand surge cited before earnings Netflix stock performance: up 80% since March lows - Used to support bullish earnings prediction Netflix year-to-date performance: up 60% - Performance cited relative to other large tech firms Amazon year-to-date performance: up 64% - Benchmark used in Netflix discussion Smallest 50 S&P 500 companies performance: down 38% - Illustrated divergence between megacaps and smaller firms Largest 50 S&P 500 companies performance: up 8% to 9% - Illustrated market preference for big companies Public-company refinancing via SoFi ad: over 580,000 members / more than $50 billion - Sponsor read data included in the episode

Pivotal Quotes: "How will humans shape AI?" — Narrator: Opening sponsor message reframing the AI debate "there's a vacuum of leadership here that's pretty dramatic" — Scott Galloway: Commenting on Walmart’s mask mandate amid weak federal guidance "The bottom line is that the president shouldn't be communicating through non-secure channels." — Scott Galloway: Discussion of Twitter hacking and presidential use of social media

Implications: The episode suggests corporate platforms and policies are increasingly filling governance gaps, while streaming, tax, and media power keep consolidating in a few giants. Remote health and work tools look durable, and companies that combine scale with distribution control are likely to gain the most.

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With great power, comes great scrutiny. Every Tuesday and Friday, journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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