Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
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Nick Kokonas - Know What You Are Selling – [Founder’s Field Guide, Forever Episode]

Today, we are running a special episode from our show Founder's Field Guide. In this conversation, Nick Kokonas shares his experience of bringing a business mindset to the restaurant industry. It is one of our favorites at Colossus and there is something for everyone in this timeless conversati

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Executive Summary: Nick Kakonis explains how restaurants can be run as disciplined businesses, not vanity projects, by knowing what they sell, selling it directly, and using tools like ticketing, dynamic pricing, and customer data to raise margins. He also describes building TOC, surviving COVID by pivoting fast, and extending these lessons to publishing and other time-slotted businesses.

Main Topics: Ownership and decision-making (Priority: 5/5): Kakonis argues wealth and control come from owning assets and making many measurable decisions. Restaurants as businesses, not art projects (Priority: 5/5): He says high-end restaurants can be profitable when run with business discipline and clear incentives. Designing memorable experiences (Priority: 4/5): Alinea’s playful, childlike, and theatrical dishes were built to be fun and delicious, not just innovative. Ticketing and dynamic pricing (Priority: 5/5): Prepaid reservations, deposits, and variable pricing reduced no-shows and improved economics. Building TOC around customer data (Priority: 5/5): TOC was created to own the customer relationship and sell more than just reservations. COVID response and delivery economics (Priority: 5/5): The company rapidly adapted to carryout and a low-fee model, preserving revenue during shutdowns. Direct-to-consumer in restaurants and publishing (Priority: 4/5): He argues businesses should know customers directly and sell books and experiences without intermediaries.

Key Arguments: Own assets to create wealth and keep control, rather than relying on someone else’s decisions. Make measurable decisions; iteration only matters when it produces an outcome. Restaurants fail when treated as vanity projects; they work when optimized like businesses. Alinea’s success came from aligning investors, management, and operations for long-term returns. Selling tickets, deposits, and dynamic pricing reduced no-shows and unlocked new revenue. Restaurants sell multiple experiences, not just food, and should expose those options upfront. TOC aimed to own customer data because intermediaries like OpenTable control the relationship. COVID accelerated demand for flexible carryout and showed restaurant delivery economics were broken. Self-publishing works when you already have an audience and can market directly. The key business principle is simple: know what you’re selling and then actually sell it.

Data Points: Alinea opening menu price: $85 - 12-course menu at launch First-day ticket sales for Next: $562,000 - Sold on the first day after launching ticketing Immediate booking revenue: $625 - First click instantly sold a table for Next First-year margin: over 30% - Alinea’s first year after ticketing and business redesign Restaurant industry labor costs: 30% to 35% - Typical labor share of restaurant costs Restaurant industry food costs: 30% to 35% - Typical food share of restaurant costs Restaurant industry fixed costs: 30% - Typical rent, utilities, insurance, and overhead share Typical restaurant margin: 10% - What remains after standard costs Talk booking fee: $700 a month - Initial charge to restaurants in the software model Carryout/order fee: 3% - Talk’s fee when customers pick up orders Consumer fee on pickup: $1 - Flat fee charged to the consumer on pickup orders Consumer fee on delivery: $5 to $7 - Talk’s pricing for delivered orders Restaurants signed since March: over 3,000 - Growth after COVID-related pivot GMV run rate: a billion-dollar GMV run rate - Projected by end of the year after rapid growth Free reservations on Talk: 70% - Share of reservations that are totally free, not tickets or deposits Beef prepay discount: $18 a pound - Vendor initially offered half-price for upfront payment Beef wholesale benchmark: $34 a pound - Dry-aged ribeye example before negotiation Dry-aged beef volume: 400 pounds a week - Projected weekly usage for four months Potential beef spend: $300,000 - Approximate total four-month beef purchase

Pivotal Quotes: "own something, make lots of decisions that have outcomes, try to be right 51% of the time, do that often and repeat." — Nick Kakonis: His core philosophy on wealth creation and operating businesses "Everything we do has to be fun and it has to be delicious or we will not do it." — Nick Kakonis: Describing the operating principles behind Alinea’s experience design "Know what you're selling and then actually sell it." — Nick Kakonis: His broadest lesson for restaurants, publishing, and business generally

Implications: The unresolved challenge is whether more operators will adopt direct, data-rich, time-slotted selling before margins and customer expectations force them to.

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