Animal Spirits Podcast
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No Soft Landing (EP.282)

On today's episode we discuss the Fed sending us into a recession, our only chance for a soft landing, why predicting inflation is so difficult, why there is no such thing as a normal market, the biggest risk in crypto, why Chevy Chase was a one of one and much more. Find complete shownotes on

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Executive Summary: The episode focused on the Fed’s aggressive tightening and the market dislocations it is creating: cash and money-market inflows surged as bonds and stocks sold off, while rising rates are repricing everything from housing to tech to private markets. The hosts argued the Fed is prioritizing inflation credibility over a soft landing, which may force a recession and intensify political pressure. They also covered earnings from major fintech, travel, and platform companies, plus the crypto, Twitter, and labor-market fallout from rapid monetary tightening.

Main Topics: Fed tightening and the soft-landing debate (Priority: 5/5): The hosts dissect Powell’s press conference and conclude the Fed is signaling willingness to over-tighten to restore inflation credibility, even if it means breaking something first. They worry this mindset entrenches boom-bust cycles and increases recession risk. Fund flows, cash, and bond-market repricing (Priority: 5/5): YCharts fund-flow data showed money-market inflows dominating as investors fled bonds and stocks. Rising short rates and higher yields across fixed income are making cash attractive and reshaping portfolio decisions. Housing affordability and inventory shortages (Priority: 4/5): The discussion emphasized collapsing affordability, low first-time buyer participation, and structurally weak housing supply. The speakers argued that higher mortgage rates are freezing transaction volume and distorting price discovery. Tech layoffs and earnings resets (Priority: 4/5): Large tech and internet firms are cutting jobs and expenses aggressively as the post-pandemic demand surge reverses. The hosts see these layoffs as meaningful for headlines but still a small share of overall employment. Earnings season across fintech, travel, and platforms (Priority: 4/5): They reviewed results from Robinhood, Airbnb, Uber/Lyft, PayPal, Coinbase, and Caesars, noting a split between resilient premium consumers and weaker discretionary spending among lower/middle-income households. Crypto contagion and market structure risk (Priority: 4/5): The Binance/FTX conflict was presented as a cautionary sign that human and institutional behavior—not technology itself—remains crypto’s biggest vulnerability, even as institutional adoption continues. Twitter, Elon Musk, and platform monetization (Priority: 3/5): The hosts debated whether Twitter’s new ownership and debt load can be monetized via subscriptions and product changes, while acknowledging the company’s central place in their own media diet.

Key Arguments: The Fed is effectively saying the path to a soft landing has narrowed so much that a hard landing is becoming the default strategy. Rapid rate hikes matter more than the final destination because markets, housing, and valuations are being forced to reprice too quickly. Money-market inflows are likely driven by investors exiting bonds and seeking positive short-term yields near 3% or higher. Stocks may still be attractive long term, but higher bond yields create a much tougher relative hurdle than in the zero-rate era. The housing market is not just weak; it is structurally constrained by low inventory relative to population and severe affordability pressure. Tech layoffs are visible and severe, but they do not yet imply a broad labor-market collapse outside the sector. Many 2021-era growth and fintech valuations were built on extraordinary conditions that are now unwinding as demand normalizes. Crypto’s biggest risk is not the code but the people and institutions involved in the ecosystem. Twitter may need subscriptions, because ad/bot cleanup and user monetization are likely required to support the new debt load. Consumers are bifurcating: high-income households remain relatively strong while lower- and middle-income groups are cutting discretionary spend.

Data Points: Money market fund inflows: ~$22 billion - Q3 2022 fund flows recap; largest positive category Bond fund outflows: more than $34 billion - Q3 2022 fund flows recap Stock fund outflows: more than $28 billion - Q3 2022 fund flows recap Money market yield: almost 3% - Hosts noted money markets finally pay meaningful interest Fed funds rate chart: rates rose to about 4% - Used to illustrate the rapid hiking cycle Tech sector employment share: about 2% - Sam Ro note on info-sector layoffs relative to overall workforce Stripe layoffs: 14% - Company reduction and severance package discussion Luxury vehicle market share: 12.2% to 17.3% - Share of vehicle market that is luxury, 10 years ago vs now Montana households paying over $1,000/month for a car: 25.7% - State-level auto payment burden chart Minnesota households paying over $1,000/month for a car: 6.6% - One of the lowest state shares in the auto-payment chart U.S. first-time homebuyer share: 26% - Lowest in 40 years U.S. population growth since 1982: up 40% - Used to argue housing inventory is even worse on a per-capita basis Average U.S. housing starts since 1960: about 1.4 million - Benchmark for current housing construction levels Median sales price of new home sold in September: $470,000 - St. Louis Fed data cited in housing discussion Airbnb longer-term stays: 20% of gross nights booked - Q3 2022, stays of 28 days or more Airbnb stays of at least seven nights: about 45% of gross nights booked - Q3 2022 PayPal Venmo accounts: almost 90 million - Scale of Venmo network PayPal Venmo monthly active users: 57 million - Usage of the peer-to-peer payments platform PayPal payment volume: nearly $1.4 trillion - Projected annual 2022 payment volume Coinbase trading volume at peak vs Q3: $547 billion to $159 billion - Trading activity fell sharply from highs Coinbase retail trading volume: down 85% - Compared with peak levels Coinbase revenue: down 76% - Compared with highs Coinbase customer fiat on platform: $6.6 billion - End-of-quarter balance Coinbase interest income: $102 million - Q3 interest income from customer fiat balances Twitter annual interest expense: about $1 billion - Estimated after acquisition financing Twitter operating cash flow last year: about $630 million - Raised as a concern about debt service Twitter 2021 cash flow excluding lawsuit payment: about $1.4 billion - Ben Thompson correction cited in discussion Married couples net worth vs single households age 25-34: nearly 9x - Inflation widened the wealth gap between married and single young households 2010 married vs single net worth multiple: 4x - Comparison point from WSJ article

Pivotal Quotes: "The path has narrowed over the course of the last year." — Jerome Powell (quoted by hosts): Used to argue the Fed sees a soft landing as increasingly unlikely "We’re going to break something, but then we know we have the tools to turn it around." — Michael Batnick (paraphrasing Fed mindset): Critique of the Fed’s willingness to force a hard landing and later reverse course "The biggest risk for crypto is not the technology, it’s the people." — Ben Carlson: Summarizing the Binance/FTX conflict and broader crypto governance risk

Implications: Expect more pressure on risk assets, housing, and speculative tech until inflation clearly cools. Cash and short-duration bonds may stay attractive, while investors should prepare for weaker growth, tighter credit, and more politically charged Fed scrutiny.

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