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Radio Show - Decade End Returns and Valuations…Process vs. Performance…VC Power Laws | #200

Episode 200 has a radio show format. We cover a variety of topics, including: Coronavirus – how investors should be thinking about shocks CalPERS firing managers Venture capital and power laws Knowing what you own There’s this and plenty more in episode 200. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit m

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Executive Summary: The episode argues that investors should keep external shocks like coronavirus in perspective, because long-term portfolio outcomes are driven far more by valuation, diversification, process discipline, and behavior than by headline risk. The hosts contrast short-term fear with decades of return dispersion across countries and asset classes, critique performance-based manager decisions, discuss the appeal and limits of trend following and venture capital, and warn listeners to truly understand what they own—especially in index products with hidden concentration or trading costs.

Main Topics: Coronavirus and external shocks in investing: The hosts frame coronavirus as scary but emphasize that market participants should compare it with historical risks, avoid emotional reactions, and remember that mundane mistakes often matter more than sensational events. Long-term returns, valuations, and global dispersion: They review decade-end returns and CAPE valuation changes across countries, showing how the same decade can produce vastly different outcomes depending on starting valuations and geography. Process vs. performance in portfolio management: The discussion critiques allocators who claim to evaluate managers on process but actually fire them for underperformance, arguing that sell discipline should be written down in advance. Trend following and unconstrained portfolio design: The hosts discuss research suggesting very large optimal allocations to trend following, but note that institutions often constrain results to fit prior beliefs and career-risk norms. Venture capital, private equity, and power laws: They explain why VC can work through extreme winner-take-most outcomes, while noting that late-stage private equity is more replicable in public markets and that fees and access remain major issues. Indexing, hidden risks, and knowing what you own: A major warning is that many 'index' products are really rule-based active bets with hidden costs or concentration, so investors should understand methodology rather than trust the label. Africa and frontier-market opportunity: Meb highlights Africa as an underowned, demographically attractive region with a tiny share of global market cap relative to population and GDP, but says implementation matters.

Key Arguments: Investors overreact to recent scary headlines, but history shows that long-term outcomes depend more on avoiding common errors like fees, bad taxes, and poor portfolio construction. Starting valuation matters: a decade can produce opposite results across countries, and extrapolating the recent past is one of investors' biggest mistakes. Most strategic and manager decisions are implicitly performance-based on the way out, even when firms claim to use process; investors should define sell rules before buying. Trend following often looks unattractive or too different to committees, yet unconstrained optimization can imply very large allocations because of its diversification benefits. VC succeeds because a few extreme winners drive nearly all returns; illiquidity helps investors hold through the long path to those winners. Private equity is not a magical separate asset class; much of the buyout effect can be approximated with public equities, leverage, and factor tilts. Many index funds are not true passive market-cap portfolios; some include arbitrary rules that can create concentration, rebalancing costs, and unintended exposures. Africa is presented as a simple long-term thematic opportunity because its share of global population and GDP is much larger than its share of market cap. The highest Sharpe strategies often have nasty left tails; high short-term consistency can hide eventual blowups, especially in option-selling strategies. The best public-market approach is often to choose a process, then largely leave it alone instead of constantly tinkering with allocations.

Data Points: Coronavirus fatalities mentioned: about 500 total - Used to argue the outbreak was scary but still small relative to other risks at the time. U.S. annual flu deaths: almost 50,000 per year - Compared with coronavirus to provide perspective on mortality risk. 1918 flu pandemic deaths worldwide: about 50 million - Historical example of a truly catastrophic pandemic. U.S. stocks annualized return, 2009-2019: 13.6% per year - Cited as the standout asset class in the last decade. Consumer discretionary and best sectors: around 17% per year - Named as one of the top-performing sectors over the decade. Energy sector return: around -3% per year - Cited as the worst-performing sector in the decade review. Foreign stocks return: about 6% per year - Used to show the U.S. outperformance versus international equities. Emerging markets return: about 4% per year - Part of the comparison showing weaker non-U.S. performance. Commodities return: around -5% per year - Characterized as the major laggard over the decade. CAPE ratio, U.S. end of 2009: 20 - Starting valuation for U.S. equities in the country-by-country valuation discussion. CAPE ratio, U.S. March 2009 bottom: 13 - Illustrates how cheap U.S. stocks became during the financial crisis. CAPE ratio, Ireland end of 2009: 4 - Example of an extremely cheap market during the post-crisis period. CAPE ratio, Columbia end of 2009: 38 - Example of an expensive market at the time. CAPE ratio, India end of 2009: 27 - Used as an expensive emerging market example. CAPE ratio, China end of 2009: 29 - Used as another expensive emerging market example. Vanguard global diversified portfolio expected return: 4.9% over the next decade - Cited as a sober long-term forecast below many investors' expectations. Trend-following optimal weight in cited study: 50% to 89% - The optimization output was so large that authors constrained it, which the hosts criticized. Trend allocation in Trinity portfolio: 50% - Meb says their portfolio is an outlier for trend exposure. Voya Corporate Leaders Trust launch date: November 18, 1935 - Example of a nearly unchanged portfolio held for decades. Voya Corporate Leaders Trust holdings: 22 stocks - Illustrates a frozen-in-time portfolio with long-term survivorship. Voya Corporate Leaders Trust AUM: almost $1 billion - Shows the strategy still attracts assets despite its unusual structure. Voya Corporate Leaders Trust fee: 59 basis points - Expense ratio mentioned in the discussion of the fund. Africa share of global population: 14% - Used to argue Africa is underrepresented in global markets. Africa share of global GDP: 5% - Shows Africa's smaller economic footprint versus population share. Africa share of global market cap: 1% - Core statistic supporting the long-term frontier-market thesis. Dividend ETF AUM: 20 billion - Referenced to show how large and influential rule-based funds can become. Largest implied allocation from option-selling: Sharpe ratio around 2.0 to 3.0 - Used to explain why option selling attracts capital despite tail risk.

Pivotal Quotes: "The things that scare us ... doesn't really matter relative to doing dumb stuff, paying too much in fees, doing ill-advised tax move, have very suboptimally weighted portfolios." — Meb: On putting coronavirus and other headline risks into proper investment perspective. "You almost never hear someone ... state what their process for then removing that manager is." — Meb: Critique of allocators who say they focus on process but really fire managers based on underperformance. "Know what you own goes under that theme, and I think it's important." — Meb: On hidden risks in index products and the need to understand fund methodology.

Implications: Listeners should focus less on headlines and more on valuation, diversification, and disciplined rules. The episode warns that many 'passive' or 'process-driven' products hide active bets, and that strategies with high short-term Sharpe ratios can still fail badly.

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