Masters of Scale
Masters of Scale

Rapid Response: Danny Meyer, 10 weeks later: How to revive restaurants

"Being the first to close is one thing. But I don't want to be the last to open,” says iconic restaurateur Danny Meyer in his second Rapid Response interview. After shutting his iconic New York City restaurants, laying off 2,000 staffers (with hopes to re-hire) and returning a $10m PPP, Da

Featured Speakers

WaitWhat HostDanny Meyer Guest

Topics Discussed

Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Danny Meyer discusses how COVID-19 forced Union Square Hospitality Group into survival mode, then recovery mode, with a radically smaller team and a fragmented reopening strategy. He argues that restaurants must balance safety, morale, and economics while experimenting with takeout, delivery, retail wine sales, and shipping via Goldbelly. He also presses for industry reforms around labor, rent, taxes, and PPP relief.

Main Topics: Restaurant recovery after pandemic shutdowns (Priority: 5/5): Meyer explains the shift from emergency layoffs and total closures to cautious reopening, emphasizing that recovery will be gradual and highly specific to each restaurant concept. Safety, confidence, and customer behavior (Priority: 5/5): He argues that reopening depends not just on protocols but on restoring public confidence through testing, health screenings, and visible safety measures. Economics of reopening and revenue recovery (Priority: 5/5): Meyer stresses that reopening decisions must be cash-flow positive and warns that operating at reduced capacity is not sustainable for full-service restaurants. Reimagining the restaurant model (Priority: 4/5): The conversation highlights new operating ideas such as curbside pickup, food delivery, bottle shops, and shipping signature dishes to create new revenue streams. Policy and structural reform (Priority: 5/5): Meyer identifies deeper industry problems: labor model, tipping, payroll taxes, liquor laws, and especially the rent relationship between restaurants and landlords. Employee support and re-recruiting talent (Priority: 4/5): He describes Union Square Hospitality Hugs, ongoing weekly Zoom calls, and efforts to help laid-off workers find jobs while keeping them connected for future rehiring.

Key Arguments: The pandemic exposed pre-existing weaknesses in the restaurant industry, especially thin margins and fragile cost structures. Reopening cannot be driven by optimism alone; it requires a safe protocol, economic viability, and public confidence. Full-service restaurants are socially and economically important, but they will recover more slowly than quick-service or pickup-friendly concepts. Restaurants need alternative revenue sources such as retail wine sales, curbside pickup, and shipping food to survive and later supplement the core business. Operating at 50% to 60% capacity is generally not financially workable for restaurants with high fixed costs. The industry should use this crisis to push for structural changes in rent, pay systems, taxes, and liquor regulations. Strong employer-employee relationships matter; keeping laid-off staff connected increases the chance of rehiring when business returns. Shake Shack returning its PPP loan illustrated both the flaws in the program and the importance of doing the right thing when public scrutiny arises.

Data Points: Union Square Hospitality Group staff size: 75 - Current core team size at the time of the interview, down from pre-pandemic levels. Initial layoffs: 2,000 - Number of employees laid off when the company first shut down. Earlier team size: 2,200 - Approximate size of the company before the pandemic response. Age comparison: 27 - Meyer says the current team of 75 is smaller than when he employed 90 people at age 27. Restaurant count in U.S.: 660,000 - Used to underscore the scale and importance of the restaurant industry nationally. Full-service restaurant margins: 5% to 10% - Estimated profitability range Meyer cites for full-service restaurants. Minimum capacity for profitability: 80% - Meyer says he has never been able to make money below this occupancy level. Union Square Hospitality Hugs funds raised: about $1.4 million - Total raised by the employee relief fund. Union Square Hospitality Hugs funds granted: about $1.2 million - Amount already distributed to employees for urgent needs. Weekly outreach: every Thursday - Company-wide Zoom calls held to maintain connection with staff and laid-off employees. Public companies returning PPP loans: over $2 billion - Shake Shack’s loan return helped trigger broader repayment across public companies and others. PPP forgiveness window: 8 weeks - Meyer criticizes the original program timeline as impractical for restaurant recovery. Goldbelly delivery window: 24 hours later - Food can be shipped nationally to customers the day after ordering.

Pivotal Quotes: "This virus has done a superb job of exposing a lot of the pre-existing conditions that our industry had." — Danny Meyer: He describes how COVID-19 revealed longstanding structural weaknesses in restaurants. "Being the first to close is one thing, but I don't want to be the last to open." — Danny Meyer: He explains his cautious approach to reopening and brand positioning. "Every day we lose money could lead to even more layoffs, which is exactly the opposite of what we want to do morale-wise, emotionally, or economically." — Danny Meyer: He frames the tight balance between operations, staff morale, and financial survival.

Implications: Restaurants will likely reopen in stages, with full-service dining recovering slowly. The sector may emerge with more delivery, retail, and shipping, but also with stronger pressure for policy changes on rent, labor, and relief programs.

🔓 Sign Up for Unlimited Episode Search

About Masters of Scale

On Masters of Scale, iconic business leaders share lessons and strategies that have helped them grow the world's most fascinating companies. Founders, CEOs, and dynamic innovators join candid conversations about their triumphs and challenges with a set of luminary hosts, including founding host Reid Hoffman (LinkedIn co-founder and Greylock partner). From navigating early prototypes to expanding brands globally, Masters of Scale provides priceless insights to help anyone grow their dream ente...

View all episodes from Masters of Scale