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Rick Rieder: Explaining the ‘Polyurethane’ U.S. Economy

BlackRock’s longtime chief investment officer on his new ETF, whether we’ll get a soft landing, the fight against inflation, and more.

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Executive Summary: Rick Rieder argues the U.S. economy remains unusually resilient thanks to its services-heavy, adaptive structure, while inflation is likely still easing toward a 2.5%-3% range. He expects the Fed to cut later in 2024, sees some credit pockets as overpriced, favors high-yielding short/intermediate fixed income over long-duration bonds, and is using portfolio construction with more income, convexity, and select alternatives rather than relying on traditional 60/40 assumptions.

Main Topics: BlackRock Flexible Income ETF and ETF strategy (Priority: 5/5): Rieder explains the new active ETF as a liquid, transparent, model-friendly vehicle designed to deliver differentiated yield and lower volatility than traditional bond indices, while using more mainstream liquid securities than his mutual funds. U.S. economic resilience and soft landing outlook (Priority: 5/5): He describes the U.S. economy as a highly adaptable 'polyurethane economy,' supported by services, consumption, energy independence, delevered households, and corporate balance-sheet repair, which helps explain why growth has held up despite tightening. Inflation trajectory and Fed policy (Priority: 5/5): Rieder says inflation has likely passed the peak of the post-COVID shock and should normalize lower, though wages, services inflation, and deglobalization could keep it above pre-COVID levels. He expects the Fed to cut rates in late 2024. Housing, labor, and consumer stress (Priority: 4/5): He views housing as crucial but relatively protected today because homeowners locked in low mortgage rates and have built equity. Still, he flags the bottom 10% of consumers and rising credit-card balances as areas of pressure. Bond market, yield curve, and asset allocation (Priority: 5/5): Rieder expects the yield curve to steepen as growth slows and the Fed eventually cuts, but he argues long-duration bonds are not compelling hedges right now. He prefers front-end yields, securitized assets, EM, and selective credit. Equity market, valuations, and portfolio construction (Priority: 4/5): He believes equities still offer useful upside, especially in cyclicals with low multiples and in tech/healthcare as structural ballast. He favors building convex portfolios with low-cost option hedges and higher income rather than sticking rigidly to 60/40. Policy lessons from COVID and central bank communication (Priority: 3/5): Rieder praises the Fed’s rapid crisis response but criticizes staying too easy for too long and overuse of forward guidance. He prefers central banks to be flexible and less prescriptive.

Key Arguments: The ETF is built for transparency and recreatability, so it uses more liquid, mainstream securities and less bespoke/private exposure than mutual funds. Fixed income offers rich opportunity because there are roughly 68,000 securities and dispersion is wide, allowing active managers to find yield and avoid overpriced credits. The U.S. economy is resilient because services dominate consumption, households and corporations delevered, and the government is now the main debt-heavy sector. A soft landing is plausible, but unemployment likely won’t stay at 3.5% and labor-market softening is the key indicator to watch. Markets have priced some risks unevenly: credit looks too tight in places, equities in cyclical sectors seem reasonably valued, and bonds now offer attractive carry at the front end. Inflation is falling mainly because supply chains normalized, goods inflation rolled over, shelter is easing, and the post-COVID fiscal/monetary impulse is fading. Higher wages for lower-income workers are a positive structural development, even if they modestly pressure inflation, because they improve labor participation and reduce inequality. The traditional 60/40 portfolio should be expanded with short-duration income, securitized assets, private credit, and selective equity volatility trades. Long-duration Treasuries are less attractive as a hedge when bond volatility is high and yields are already offering substantial income in shorter maturities. Central banks should be aggressive in crises but should back off sooner and avoid extreme policies like prolonged QE or negative rates.

Data Points: ETF yield: about 7% - Rieder says BlackRock Flexible Income ETF is currently yielding around 7%. Number of fixed income securities: 68,000 - He uses this figure to illustrate the size and opportunity set of the fixed-income market. High-yield dispersion: half the index trades wider than 800 and tighter than 300 - He cites this as evidence of unusually wide credit dispersion in high yield. U.S. services share: 70% - He says the U.S. economy is roughly 70% services-based. U.S. consumption share: 70% - He characterizes the economy as roughly 70% consumption-driven. Nominal GDP growth in 2021: 12.3% - Used to show how strong post-COVID nominal growth was. Nominal GDP growth in 2022: 7.3% - Used to argue the economy remained robust even after the surge moderated. Unemployment rate: 3.5% - He repeatedly cites this as a key sign of labor-market strength and a reason the economy can absorb higher rates. Chance inflation re-accelerates: 15% to 20% - Rieder estimates a non-trivial but minority risk that inflation could rise again. Last three-month goods inflation excluding used cars: -0.7% - He says goods inflation is already negative on a short-term moving-average basis, excluding used cars. Average 30-year fixed mortgage rate: about 7.5% - Mentioned as a key housing affordability pressure point. Low-income wage trend: higher wages for low-income jobs - He frames this as an important labor-market and equity improvement, though no exact percentage is given. Aging/labor shortage sectors: healthcare, education, leisure, hospitality, restaurants, hotels, airlines - He identifies these sectors as structurally understaffed. Potential Fed timing: later part of 2024 / middle of next year - He expects the Fed to begin cutting rates in late 2024 or around mid-next-year depending on growth. Index options volatility: 10-11 volatility - He says equity index options are very cheap, helping him build convexity in portfolios. Commercial paper yield: 6% to 6.5% - He cites these yields as evidence that short-term fixed income offers attractive income.

Pivotal Quotes: "I called the U.S. economy the polyurethane economy, meaning it's so flexible, so adaptive." — Rick Rieder: His metaphor for why the U.S. economy has remained resilient despite aggressive rate hikes. "policy at the extreme, I think, can be more debilitating than it can be accretive." — Rick Rieder: His criticism of prolonged ultra-easy policy and negative rates. "I don't think the inversion of the yield curve is predicted nine of the last three recessions." — Rick Rieder: His skepticism about using yield-curve inversion as a reliable recession signal in the current cycle.

Implications: Investors may want to favor yield-rich, shorter-duration fixed income, selective credit, and flexible multi-asset portfolios rather than relying on long bonds or a classic 60/40 mix. The macro backdrop points to slower but still resilient growth, easing inflation, and a Fed that may cut later in 2024.

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