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RIP Windows phone, net neutrality day of action, and Next Level

Welcome back to another week of The Vergecast. Nilay, Paul, and Dieter sit down in the studio to bring you the news that hit our site this week. First off, the net neutrality day of action was on Wednesday, as was Nilay’s piece on the matter. The gang debate the issue in this net neutrality “season”

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Executive Summary: The episode mixes Vergecast banter, a deep net neutrality debate, a spotlight on Lauren Good’s new video series Next Level, and a rapid rundown of phone and smart-home news. The hosts argue that broadband scarcity makes neutrality rules practically necessary, critique ISP language co-option, and highlight emerging device trends from modular phones to Alexa’s expanding control over TVs and home devices.

Main Topics: Net neutrality as a practical monopoly issue (Priority: 5/5): Nilay, Paul, and Dieter focus on the FCC rollback and argue that the real issue is lack of broadband competition: most Americans have one or two choices, making regulation necessary to prevent harmful ISP behavior. The co-option of ‘open internet’ language (Priority: 5/5): The discussion examines how AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon reframe net neutrality rhetoric, using ‘open internet’ language while pushing policy outcomes that can undermine the original bright-line rules. Ashley Carman and Lauren Good segments / new Verge video strategy (Priority: 4/5): The show introduces Ashley Carman’s humorous Anchor segment and interviews Lauren Good about Next Level, a new video series exploring futuristic, non-iterative technologies and prototypes. Phone news roundup (Priority: 4/5): The episode covers the Galaxy Note 7 Fan Edition teardown, the Blackberry KeyOne’s Sprint launch, Windows Phone 8.1’s end of support, Pixel XL leaks, and skepticism around Essential’s delayed phone launch. Alexa and smart-home ecosystem expansion (Priority: 4/5): The hosts note multiple integrations—Fire TV, Sony Android TVs, and Logitech Harmony—arguing Alexa is becoming the most advanced consumer voice interface because it increasingly controls screens and home systems. Modularity, future devices, and the limits of gimmicks (Priority: 3/5): The conversation explores modular phones, squeezable phones, and future airplane interiors, with skepticism toward gimmicks that solve small problems while ignoring more basic user needs like legroom and Wi‑Fi.

Key Arguments: Broadband access is so concentrated that market competition cannot be relied on to protect consumers; regulation is therefore a practical necessity, not just an ideological preference. The FCC’s attempt to justify removing Title II rules does not convincingly explain how consumer outcomes improve when there are often only one or two broadband providers. ISP participation in ‘day of action’ messaging can be deceptive when the same companies use their control over infrastructure to shape what users see and believe. The shift from ‘net neutrality’ to broader terms like ‘open internet’ is an attempt to rebrand policy goals and make unpopular fast-lane behavior sound reasonable. Lauren Good’s Next Level works because it focuses on ambitious, impractical, or still-developing technologies rather than incremental product updates. Alexa’s ecosystem advantage comes from integrating with TVs, home devices, and command shortcuts, making the platform more useful than rivals that remain fragmented. Most mobile innovations still feel iterative or gimmicky; the meaningful improvements users want are basic reliability, battery life, Wi‑Fi, and ergonomics.

Data Points: Americans with only one broadband provider: 51% - FCC data cited during the net neutrality discussion, defined as true broadband (25 Mbps down/up). Americans with at least two broadband providers: 38% - FCC data used to argue limited consumer choice in broadband markets. Americans with at most two broadband providers: 89% - Derived from FCC data to emphasize the lack of meaningful competition. Small ISP reporting threshold for compliance costs: 250,000 customers - Small providers below this size were said not to have to pay to prove compliance, at least temporarily. Next Level first episode views: 1 million in 24 hours - Lauren Good noted as a strong launch for the new Verge video series. Galaxy Note 7 Fan Edition battery change: smaller battery only - iFixit teardown found it is essentially the original Note 7 with a different, smaller battery. Windows Phone 8.1 share of installed base: 70–80% - Discussed as the portion of Windows Phone devices no longer supported after 8.1 support ended. Siri usage change: down 17% year over year - A cited analytics stat in the Alexa/Home discussion. Alexa usage change: up 345% year over year - Cited to argue Alexa is rapidly gaining traction despite a smaller base. Alexa unique users: 2 million - Used alongside the growth stat to show rising adoption. Siri unique users: tens of millions / about 40 million - Used as a comparison point to Alexa’s smaller but faster-growing base. Parachute bed net donations: 16,000 - Mentioned in the sponsor read as a charitable impact figure.

Pivotal Quotes: "The default state of the Internet." — Small internet provider quoted by Nilay: Used to argue that net neutrality compliance is not costly because non-blocking/non-throttling behavior is the baseline. "The Internet is in fact a utility whether or not you believe that philosophically it should be treated like one." — Dieter Bohn: Core argument that broadband scarcity makes regulatory treatment necessary in practice. "I picked the wrong name. It doesn't sound great." — Tim Wu (referenced by Nilay): Discussed while explaining why ‘net neutrality’ may have been a less effective term than its policy importance deserved.

Implications: The episode frames net neutrality as a real-world monopoly problem, suggests Alexa is pulling ahead through ecosystem integration, and positions Next Level as The Verge’s bet on ambitious future-tech storytelling rather than incremental gadget coverage.

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