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Rob Arnott: Dissecting Smart Beta, Investing in Disruption, and Momentum (EP.157)

Today we welcome Rob Arnott to the show! Rob is the founder of Research Affiliates and is a prolific writer who has published hundreds of articles for many different journals. We know firsthand, the power of Rob's work, and how it can alter the way you think about investing, and this depth of k

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Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti HostRob Arnott Guest

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Executive Summary: Rob Arnott discusses the drawbacks of cap-weighted indexing, introduces fundamental indexing as an alternative, and explores factor investing, value stocks, momentum, and bubbles. He emphasizes the importance of breaking the link with price to avoid performance drag and highlights the dangers of data mining and overhyped multi-factor strategies.

Main Topics: Drawbacks of Cap-Weighted Indexing (Priority: 5/5): Cap-weighted indexes chase fads, underweight undervalued stocks, and miss rebalancing alpha, leading to a performance drag. Fundamental Indexing (RAFI) (Priority: 5/5): RAFI weights stocks by economic footprint (sales, cash flow, book value, dividends) rather than price, creating a value tilt and capturing rebalancing alpha. Factor Investing and Multi-Factor Strategies (Priority: 4/5): Factors like value, momentum, and quality have significant drawdowns; multi-factor strategies are often overhyped and may not reduce risk as expected. Value Stocks and Intangibles (Priority: 4/5): Value investing has suffered prolonged drawdowns, but adjusting for intangibles (e.g., R&D) improves performance. Current value discounts are extreme. Momentum Investing Challenges (Priority: 4/5): Momentum has underperformed since 1999 due to crashes, high turnover costs, and alpha reversal. Factor momentum may subsume stock and sector momentum. Bubbles and Big Market Delusion (Priority: 3/5): Bubbles are defined by implausible growth assumptions; disruptors often get disrupted. Examples include Tesla and EV makers. Earnings Dilution and Market Growth (Priority: 3/5): Earnings per share grow slower than GDP due to new enterprise creation, causing a 2% annual dilution for long-term investors.

Key Arguments: Cap-weighting overweights overvalued stocks and underweights undervalued ones, creating a performance drag equal to the variance of mean-reverting pricing errors. Fundamental indexing breaks the link with price, allowing errors to cancel and capturing rebalancing alpha, outperforming cap-weighted value indexes by 1.5-2% annually. Backtests are unreliable due to data mining; selecting factors with best past performance often leads to future disappointment. Value's recent drawdown is extreme but not unprecedented; adjusting for intangibles improves value's efficacy. Momentum's alpha is largely driven by factor momentum, not individual stock or sector momentum, and is eroded by trading costs and reversal. Bubbles can be identified by implausible growth assumptions in valuation models, but shorting them is risky. Earnings dilution from new companies means investors cannot capture full GDP growth without investing in new enterprises.

Data Points: RAFI outperformance vs. cap-weighted value indexes: 1.5-2% annually - In US and international markets; over 2% in emerging markets and small caps. Value drawdown (Fama-French, price-to-book): 13.5 years - Peak in 2007 to 2020; value underperformed growth by 58%. Value drawdown (RAFI weight to cap weight): 3.5 years - Peak in early 2018. Momentum drawdown (Great Depression): 80% - Historical maximum drawdown for momentum factor. Tesla price-to-sales ratio: 30:1 - Second cheapest among EV makers after 600% stock rise in 2020. EV makers' market cap vs. revenue share: 45% market cap for 2% of auto industry revenue - Conventional automakers had 55% market cap for 98% revenue. Earnings dilution rate: 2% annually - GDP growth outpaces earnings per share growth due to new enterprise creation. Growth vs. value price-to-book spread (COVID aftermath): 12.5:1 - 25% richer than tech bubble peak of 10:1.

Pivotal Quotes: "Cap weighting's biggest Achilles heel is that any stock that's overpriced... is above its fair value weight in the portfolio. And every stock that's below its fair value weight is destined to outperform, and vice versa." — Rob Arnott: Explaining the fundamental flaw in cap-weighted indexing. "If you use backtests to choose your strategies, you are self-selecting to be in the ones that have outperformed their own expectations and are poised to disappoint." — Rob Arnott: Warning against relying on backtests for investment decisions. "The disruptors don't disrupt by picking the pocket of the marketplace... They disrupt the market by creating something inexpensive that benefits society more than it benefits their own shareholders." — Rob Arnott: Discussing why disruptive companies often fail to deliver shareholder returns.

Implications: Investors should be wary of cap-weighting's hidden costs, consider fundamental indexing for rebalancing alpha, and avoid overhyped multi-factor strategies. Value may offer opportunities given extreme discounts, but timing requires patience and contrarian discipline.

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A weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making, from three Canadians. Hosted by Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti, Portfolio Managers at PWL Capital.

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